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Religious Persecution in the US Army
Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:30am

I was listening to this while driving yesterday. It's mindblowing.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/stories/2009/2615119.htm

You might have to wait for a transcript if you're bandwidth challenged, but it seems that the Fundamentalist Christians have taken over, and those who are non religious are in danger of persecution or even losing their lives.

Some of the stories are incredible, and it seems like Obama is turning a blind eye.

Also see here:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488

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Reply #1 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:41am

Probably not so much of a blind eye than a fearful one. These people consider themselves latter day crusaders.

It was inevitable, no doubt, that the monster of religious warrior zealotry that characterises Islamism would spawn a self-styled nemesis in the form of militant Christian Fundamentalism... Killers for Jesus.

Jesus Killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military

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Reply #2 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:46am

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It was inevitable, no doubt, that the monster of religious warrior zealotry that characterises Islamism would spawn a self-styled nemesis in the form of militant Christian Fundamentalism

Actually if you look at it a little closer, you'll find it was the other way 'round.

The zealous Christians evoked an Islamic revival in the Muslims, and directly led to the creation of pretty much all modern day Islamic resistance movements. Go back to the 60's and 70's and pretty much no 'Islamist' movements existed in the Islamic world. Most of the Palestinian groups were either based on nationalism or Communism/Socialism and had very little, if any, link to Islam at all. Indeed, Abdullah Azzam, the famous Palestinian resistance fighter, who led the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the USSR, left Palestine for Afghanistan because of his dismay at the unIslamic beliefs and practises of the resistance movements there, and that was late 1970's or early 1980's. No al-Qaeda existed, no Hezbollah, no Hamas etc.

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Reply #4 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 5:54pm

I had a listen to it.

really, pretty boring. So what, a christian stands up and says islam is shite.
So do I. So do many others here.
So what, a christian wants to push christianity.
get used to it islamics and apologetics, christians are not meant to be softcocked wimps.

it's a pity christians did not assassainate mohammad well before he stated to bugger minors and beheading people by the hundred.

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Reply #5 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:15pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 5:54pm:

I had a listen to it.

really, pretty boring. So what, a christian stands up and says islam is shite.
So do I. So do many others here.
So what, a christian wants to push christianity.
get used to it islamics and apologetics, christians are not meant to be softcocked wimps.

Might pay to listen to it again... Or read the article... Not quite as facile as you recall it.

There's that word again... No love your enemies for you then?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41645 Gender:	Re: Religious Persecution in the US Army Reply #6 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:20pm I had a listen, it was dull. some weak attack on christians by some fop who objected to a cross being in the studio and it being blessed by a clergy. Sure, theres love for individuals. soldiers in an army are not chosen for their ethical standpoints on spiritual matters. get some lead in your pencil.
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Reply #7 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:23pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:20pm:

I had a listen, it was dull.

some weak attack on christians by some fop who objected to a cross being in the studio and it being blessed by a clergy.

Sure, theres love for individuals.
soldiers in an army are not chosen for their ethical standpoints on spiritual matters.

You didn't listen to it or read the article.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:20pm:

get some lead in your pencil.

An aspiration of yours, softy?

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Reply #8 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 8:37pm

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No love your enemies for you then?

You should know by now helian that Christians only chant such mantras and golden rules when they're in a submissive position. When they're dominant, they say render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's... and in their estimation, it doesn't seem much belongs to God.

This is probably one of things about Christianity which drives so many away, it's inconsistencies. If someone slaps you, give him the other cheek... but it's only in theory, few Christians would ever practise it, and a Christian nation certainly never would. When it comes to the nation, they leave the mantras and golden rules behind, it's kill, murder, rape, pillage, dine on your enemies, rape them and burn them and their families alive to cover the evidence..

It was certainly always one of my obstacles to ever being a Christian. So hypocritical.

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Reply #9 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:32pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 8:37pm:

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No love your enemies for you then?

You should know by now helian that Christians only chant such mantras and golden rules when they're in a submissive position. When they're dominant, they say render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's... and in their estimation, it doesn't seem much belongs to God.

This is probably one of things about Christianity which drives so many away, it's inconsistencies. If someone slaps you, give him the other cheek... but it's only in theory, few Christians would ever practise it, and a Christian nation certainly never would. When it comes to the nation, they leave the mantras and golden rules behind, it's kill, murder, rape, pillage, dine on your enemies, rape them and burn them and their families alive to cover the evidence..

It was certainly always one of my obstacles to ever being a Christian. So hypocritical.

All your muslim brothers and sisters are yearning for some proper Christian (western, liberal, democratic, secular) government. It is only your type, zealous converts and disaffected blow-ins, safe in western secular coutries, who agitate constantly for some corrupt, theocratic hell.

"kill, murder, rape, pillage, dine on your enemies, rape them and burn them and their families alive to cover the evidence" - reads like jihad to me. Accusing the west of what your co-religionists do every day, as a matter of 'religous' jihad, may seem clever to you, sly propagandist, but after so many years of hearing about Muslim barbarity precisely along these lines, the ruse does not work any more. We know you are barbarians, we know your tactics, we know you are bullsh!tting.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Religious Persecution in the US Army Reply #10 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:55pm Quote: We know you are barbarians, we know your tactics, we know you are bullsh!tting We both know that list is the actions of Christians at war, not Muslims. Maybe one day you'll be honest enough with yourself to openly admit it, and see the error of your ways... I'm not holding my breath though.
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Reply #11 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 10:40pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:55pm:

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We know you are barbarians, we know your tactics, we know you are bullsh!tting

We both know that list is the actions of Christians at war, not Muslims. Maybe one day you'll be honest enough with yourself to openly admit it, and see the error of your ways... I'm not holding my breath though.

We both know that there is nothing in Islam that promotes peace, freedom, felicity, civilisation, except after a submission.

And submission is the only point of Islam.

And we both know that Christianity is the only thing that allows you to mouth off.

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Reply #12 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 11:21pm

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And we both know that Christianity is the only thing that allows you to mouth off.

Actually when Christianity ruled the Western countries, you couldn't speak anything not sanctioned by the Church, or you'd be burned for blasphemy. The freedom of speech in Western countries is a direct result of secularisation and the widespread adoption of atheism/agnosticism. If it were up to the Church, it would never have ended up like this, and again... you well know it.

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Reply #13 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 11:35pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 11:21pm:

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And we both know that Christianity is the only thing that allows you to mouth off.

Actually when Christianity ruled the Western countries, you couldn't speak anything not sanctioned by the Church, or you'd be burned for blasphemy. The freedom of speech in Western countries is a direct result of secularisation and the widespread adoption of atheism/agnosticism. If it were up to the Church, it would never have ended up like this, and again... you well know it.

There is no excuse for being a Muslim. None.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Religious Persecution in the US Army Reply #14 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 7:20am ROTFLMAO at Abooby.. Yet countries like the US where 75% profess to be Christian are bastians of secularism BTW how many non-Moslems are there in the Iranian Army? That many eh...
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