muso wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 2:39pm:


Yes.

mantra wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 9:16pm:


Mantra, I agree with that part. The Oil and Coal lobby is still very strong in this country.

Of course, we also have unions behind the push to protect workers in those industries, so it's not all about Right Wing versus Left Wing.

I don't trust the ALP in this, and they have yet to show their true colours. I don't trust their management abilities.

The global discussions (eg Copenhagen) are intended to address the threat.

The reaction to the threat has nothing to do with saving the environment, or polar bears, trees etc. The entire motivation is about preventing a human tragedy, although it's all linked.

If you think it's a con job, then I tend to take it personally.  I feel a bit like Buzz Aldrin when confronted by someone who told him the moon landings were a hoax. Like Buzz, I'm affronted by people who say things that I know to be lies, and the problem is that others believe them.

(It's ok - I'm non violent  )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU

muso wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 8:10am:


Muso - why would you take it personally? Aren't you an advocate for nuclear energy?  This is all about pushing for NP ultimately - nothing to do with emissions - that's just great spin.

Of course saving the environment isn't on the agenda - I mean let's control the weather, but who cares whether the earth can supply enough food, water & shelter to sustain the population.

As far as trusting the ALP - they are the same as the Liberals, although it's becoming obvious that Rudd is a bigger liar than Howard. Both parties have identical agendas and it's all about big business - not the idiots who vote for them.

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In regard to the moon landing - there will always be a question mark beside this "amazing" achievement. They've never managed to get back there and strangely - NASA has lost the original photos. The greatest feat on earth and the original photos are missing. Never mind - Hollywood is coming to the rescue.

NASA loses Apollo moon footage, but Hollywood restores it.

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/post_24.html

I really like Mantra, and am pretty sure that even though I feel she is the one who has been conned into falling for all these conspirinut theories, that just like Grendel, and Soren, and most others who choose to speak against Global Warming, as if it is a giant hoax, they all would support lowering our emissions, because they want to see all forms of pollution reduced.
It is just unfortunate that this issue has so effectively been sidetracked by the initial PR campaign designed by the same company who convinced an extra two generations that smoking wasn't bad for you.

We must apportion some blame onto the alarmists as well, whose "Cry Wolf" mentality increased public cynicism to the point that nothing is ever acceptable on it's face value, irrespective of the motives or credentials on display

I think we probably need to take a step back from even trying to get denialists to face the facts, because they refuse to even examine them honestly.

I think we need to accept that the common ground is our shared humanity, and a shared belief that we should try and do the best we can for future generations, and the planet, by changing our behaviour, to reduce the amount of pollutants we put into our environment, and just agree that no matter what raison d'etre you choose, reducing our gross over consumption of non-renewables, is a good step toward more responsibly living our lives.

mantra wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 7:40am:



The popculture referrence of the cartoon is very apt and not merely topical. A lot of this climate change stuff is a little bit of science and a whole load of youf culture sloganeering and save the planet baloney.
You must have the menatlity of a Jacko or a Bono or their pop culture ilk to think that you can control the planet's climate - especially that now we can agree to limit warming to 2 degrees or whatever nonsense tey are spouting lately. Laughable.

ROTFLMAO

no you dont get it...

30 years is considered long enough to call "weather" patterns climate.

BTW don't try to tell me whats in my head when you don't understand the first thing abut the issue and why your position is so tenuous.

If you weren't so in denial about every fact that counters your position you'd have a leg to stand on unfortunately you don't

Don't worry I'll be pointing you and your dopey mates out for the class action too.

mozzaok wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 7:18pm:


Mozzaok,

The real 'denialists' are perfectly aware of the facts. They are hired hands. The likes of Richard Lindzen has already enjoyed bullshitting for the tobacco industry and he has a taste for professional lying and arrogance.  He has enough intelligence to know that he's lying. The same goes for John Christy and his offsider.

In Australia, I'd argue that Bob Carter is in the same boat. David Evans probably isn't. He basically just wants to make a name for himself, because he was too mediocre in what he did to make an honest living.

The remainder of Australian denialists are mostly jokes. They have been assimilated by the Borg of Climate Confusion. They literally don't know their arse from their elbow. Jennifer Marohasy falls squarely in that category.