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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53404 At my desk.	Re: Grendel: man cannot control the climate Reply #15 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 5:54pm Grendel very few people are saying it is imminent. Very little extra is likely to become clear over a period of a few years.
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Reply #16 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 6:56pm

Oh my God whatever happened to the tipping point etc, etc, etc...

Oh dear but we become alarmed over a few years eh FD... remember we've been alarmed for quite a few years now since the cooling and dimming and rewarming... etc...

So how many years do you think we have b4 we have to act if the alarmists are right? 2? 5? 10? 20? 50? 100?

I mean we are racing to put legislation through right now.

So do you believe man can control the Planet's climate system?
Do you think this can be achieved by cutting our CO2 emissions?

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Reply #17 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 7:33pm

Well I will respond by saying that your initial question is open to broad interpretation.

Now if you had asked can man significantly effect climate, then the answer is an unequivocal yes.

Now if you consider, planned, releases of certain particultes, to achieve certain outcomes, as control, then you could then go onto say that man could control the climate, but as with nearly all important questions, it is a matter of degrees.
Yuk, yuk, yuk, pun intended.

The sad fact is that we may yet need to attempt some of these climate engineering ideas to counter warming effects, because denialists have so successfully stalled most meaningful programs which could have reduced the severity of the warming effect we are now unable to avoid.

Good job arseholes.

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Reply #18 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 7:49pm

mozzaok wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 7:33pm:

Good job arseholes.

So, to put it plainly - I must be an iddiot because it is unconceivable to you that your argument is, in fact, unconvincing.

I asked this before of all you man-made climate shamans, er, sorry, scientists - what is the falsifiable part of your arguments? Which part needs to be disproved for you to concede that your hypothesis is unworkable?

Just so we are all scientific and not shamanic/journalistic/political/bolshevic/ etc, etc.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Grendel: man cannot control the climate Reply #19 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 7:58pm hey Mozz... ROTFLMAO... that was about as useful and substantial as broken fly-wing.
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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Grendel: man cannot control the climate Reply #20 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 8:16pm The funniest thing about the whole debate is that even if the world's scientists are all wrong, denialists will still be arseholes.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Grendel: man cannot control the climate Reply #21 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 8:22pm mozzaok wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 8:16pm: The funniest thing about the whole debate is that even if the world's scientists are all wrong, denialists will still be arseholes. Sooooo... it's unfalsifiable, then.... Thought so.
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Reply #22 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 9:00pm

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Oh my God whatever happened to the tipping point etc, etc, etc...

The existence of a tipping point does not imply imminence. It could be 100 years away. It could also be tomorrow. We cannot be sure.

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Oh dear but we become alarmed over a few years eh FD... remember we've been alarmed for quite a few years now since the cooling and dimming and rewarming... etc...

Yes it's amazinghow quickly we can aquire knew understanding.

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So how many years do you think we have b4 we have to act if the alarmists are right? 2? 5? 10? 20? 50? 100?

The IPCC is setting targets for major emissions reductions by 2050.

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I mean we are racing to put legislation through right now.

Yes it would be easier to deal with it sooner rather than later. That is more of an economic issue than an environmental one.

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So do you believe man can control the Planet's climate system?

Of course.

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Do you think this can be achieved by cutting our CO2 emissions?

Yes. Cutting methane and other GHG emissions would also help.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Grendel: man cannot control the climate Reply #23 - Jul 19^th, 2009 at 10:54pm ROTFLMAO yet more fly-wings. and rubbish. Oh fd can you arrange for it to rain in the morning tomorrow the be a nice 23 degrees in the afternoon pls.
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Reply #24 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 2:39pm

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 8:22pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 8:16pm:

The funniest thing about the whole debate is that even if the world's scientists are all wrong, denialists will still be arseholes.

Sooooo... it's unfalsifiable, then.... Thought so.

No it's falsifiable. Did you miss that post?

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Reply #25 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 3:26pm

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 9:00pm:

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So do you believe man can control the Planet's climate system?

Of course.

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Do you think this can be achieved by cutting our CO2 emissions?

Yes. Cutting methane and other GHG emissions would also help.

I've been accused of not living in reality - so this concept of modifying the global temperature should be easily absorbed by my imagination - but it's not.

FD - seriously will any of the politicians spruiking this temperature change goal still be around by 2050 and what will they compare it against?

I'm not saying we shouldn't clean up the planet and make a decent start investing in renewables - but this is just an outright lie and there are so many people who believe it.

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Reply #26 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 6:21pm

Mantra, mantra, mantra, et tu?

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this is just an outright lie

????, I suppose it is a bit like the con of man landing on the moon, just another conspiracy where tens of thousands of people maintain an unbroken code of silence to cover up the con?

If you didn't fall for all this conspiracy garbage mantra, you would be able to look at this through more objective eyes.

Contrary to all the lies and misinformation spread by denialist loons, the IPCC has gathered the best information, from the best sources, and given some pretty stark warnings, which is then supposed to be discounted, because a handful of extremist loons working out of tractor sheds say it is all a giant conspiracy to get research grants.

I have yet to see a single, credible argument from the denialists.

Salient points that are worth noting are, denialist claims, are examined, and answered, by real climate scientists, so their mischievous claims are debunked, while critical issues that are raised by real scienntists, are just evaded by denialists, and that speaks volumes to me about which side has a credibility problem.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Grendel: man cannot control the climate Reply #27 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 6:24pm There are none so blind as those that WILL NOT see Mozz... count yourself in that group along with the rest of the alarmist bozos.
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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Grendel: man cannot control the climate Reply #28 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 7:12pm Enlighten me grendel, give me your top three reasons for believing the IPCC is performing a global con job. That is your contention after all.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Grendel: man cannot control the climate Reply #29 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 8:24pm So you think everyone who is just plain wrong have ulterior motives? Oh that's right... of course you do.
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