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Jun 21^st, 2009 at 8:33pm

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................Witnesses said about 3000 protesters had gathered, demanding a new presidential election, in central Tehran in open defiance of the cleric-led Government and police used tear gas and water cannons as the demonstrators shouted "death to the dictator".

Earlier Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warned in a speech that protests would end in "bloodshed". He used the speech during prayers at Tehran University to attack the West, especially Britain, and to declare strong support for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the hardliner who was declared the winner of the poll........

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http://www.smh.com.au/world/world-is-watching-iran-told-20090620-crvv.html

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: muslims power relies on threats of violence Reply #2 - Jun 21^st, 2009 at 8:41pm All dictatorships rely on threats of violence, which makes a theocratic dictatorship twice as evil.
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Reply #3 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 10:29am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 21^st, 2009 at 8:41pm:

All dictatorships rely on threats of violence, which makes a theocratic dictatorship twice as evil.

I would have amended, "....threats and acts of violence".

And theocratic dictatorships are twice as evil?

helian,

I would have thought that ALL dictatorships and tyrannies, would share the same condemnation, of freedom loving people?

But then, theists with blood on their hands, are especially evil, aren't they.

Doubly, more evil, than other murderers.
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Reply #4 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 12:17pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 10:29am:

helian,

I would have thought that ALL dictatorships and tyrannies, would share the same condemnation, of freedom loving people?

But then, theists with blood on their hands, are especially evil, aren't they.

Doubly, more evil, than other murderers.
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Yeah that's right.

Theocrats take it on themselves to claim to speak for god. They're therefore required to uphold not only temporal law, but 'gods law'. Theocratic dictatorships therefore oppress their people twice over. Once by dictatorship and again by subverting the trust of the faithful when they pervert the tenets of faith.

It would be one thing for Ahmadinejad to have engaged in electoral fraud but much worse to the people of Iran if Khamanei has done the same.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41705 Gender:	Re: muslims power relies on threats of violence Reply #5 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 12:40pm helian - I agree.
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Reply #6 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:24pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 12:17pm:

It would be one thing for Ahmadinejad to have engaged in electoral fraud but much worse to the people of Iran if Khamanei has done the same
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So if Ahmadinejad had cut my throat, it would be a crime.

But if Khamanei had cut my throat, it would be much, much, worse?

For who?

The people who witness the deed?

What about for, me? Grin

Personally, i think that it would be equally terrible, to have my throat cut, whether by Ahmadinejad, OR by Khamanei !!!

Reminds me of....

"Whether the stone hits the pitcher, or the pitcher hits the stone, it's going to be bad for the pitcher."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #7 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:32pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:24pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 12:17pm:

It would be one thing for Ahmadinejad to have engaged in electoral fraud but much worse to the people of Iran if Khamanei has done the same
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So if Ahmadinejad had cut my throat, it would be a crime.

But if Khamanei had cut my throat, it would be much, much, worse?

For who?

The people who witness the deed?

What about for, me? Grin

Personally, i think that it would be equally terrible, to have my throat cut, whether by Ahmadinejad, OR by Khamanei !!!

Reminds me of....

"Whether the stone hits the pitcher, or the pitcher hits the stone, it's going to be bad for the pitcher."

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When a politician screws around its a bit of a scandal when a bishop screws around its an outrage.

The outcome for you, the murder victim would be the same. The outcome if a clerical head of state committed murder would likely be the collapse of the regime or revolution. What' the bet, if Khamanei is clearly guilty of electoral fraud, they might all find themselves bunked up in Khomenei's Paris digs.

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Reply #8 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:40pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:32pm:

When a politician screws around its a bit of a scandal when a bishop screws around its an outrage.

A politician = = a man

A bishop = = a man

The only distinction between them, is they are climbing different 'greasy poles' - FOR THE SAME MOTIVES [more often].

If a politician commits murder?
....its murder.

If a bishop commits murder?
....its murder.

All men, are able to justify, to themselves, the most heinous crimes.

But murder, is still murder.

Even 'ecclesiastical' based murder.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #9 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:45pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:40pm:

If a bishop commits murder?
....its murder.

If a bishop commits murder its murder and a betrayal of his vows and his See. A trauma for his congregation and a reflection on his church... And if he were the head of state in a theocratic dictatorship, the likely destruction of the regime.

The only pillar a theocrat can offer over the secular to the people he rules, is a commitment to upholding the 'laws of god'.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41705 Gender:	Re: muslims power relies on threats of violence Reply #10 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:50pm helian - yes. For a theocrat - the effects are far greater and they (should be) judged by the peoples of that state more "searchingly."
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: muslims power relies on threats of violence Reply #11 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:58pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:50pm: For a theocrat - the effects are far greater and they (should be) judged by the peoples of that state more "searchingly." And they are.
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Reply #12 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 7:01pm

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.....A backstage struggle among Iran's ruling clerics has burst into the open with the government saying it had arrested the daughter and other relatives of an ayatollah who is one of the country's most powerful men.

State media said yesterday the daughter and four other relatives of former President Hashemi Rafsanjani were later released but their arrests appeared to be a clear warning from the hardline establishment to a cleric who may be aligning himself with the opposition..........

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http://www.smh.com.au/world/rafsanjanis-daughters-arrest--a-warning-20090622-ct6...

the ruling clerics are right pricks.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: muslims power relies on threats of violence Reply #13 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 7:44pm And the mullahs' religious stormtroopers, the Basiji... mainly Palestinians... Their weapon of choice on the streets? A razor, so they can slash Iranians they detain on site.
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