Australian Politics Forum - Netanyahu backs two-state solution

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53227 At my desk.	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #15 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 12:14pm Can you link to some of them Grendel? If you go to the trouble of finding this information you might as well post it.
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #16 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 12:38pm Google israel demographics and work from there
Back to top	IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 53227
At my desk.

Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution
Reply #17 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 4:57pm

You are missing the point Grendel. Either you made up that number, or you googled it and spent a bit of time looking. If you want people to take you seriously, you need to make it easy for them to think you actually looked, and looked in the right place. No-one is going to go out of their way to confirm that you know what you are talking about. They will just dismiss your contribution as valueless. You might as well have made it up. If you want to leave it at that, it's fine with me. I'm not going to explain to you the value of including the link or source every time you make up a number. I will just asume you made it up, as will most people.

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

Grendel

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male

Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution
Reply #18 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 5:45pm

a minute tops... googled it... not hard to do
Try it you might develop a new tool to help you research information.
Not missing any points BTW

Ah just out of curiosity... do you try to be an ar%ehole on purpose?
Do you like flaming me and casting doubts continuously on my veracity and credibility?
Do I have any respect for you due to it?

Oh BTW the last answer is NO!

Back to top

IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53227 At my desk.	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #19 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 5:56pm It is pretty basic ettiquette of online forums to include the link or source Grendel. It is not a flame to point out that people won't take you seriously if you don't get that. That you keep suggesting someone else does it for you merely reinforces it.
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #20 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 7:10pm ROTFLMAO Google it don't be lazy I don't have to reference every quote I post you know. Oh and if people were really interested they check it out themselves from several sources and come back and say I was right. Instead of the crap you continuously dump on me.
Back to top	« Last Edit: Jul 5^th, 2009 at 7:20pm by Grendel » IP Logged

tallowood

Gold Member

Offline

Израиль Навсегда

Posts: 8339
Gender: male

Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution
Reply #21 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 8:33pm

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2009 at 5:56pm:

It is pretty basic ettiquette of online forums to include the link or source Grendel. It is not a flame to point out that people won't take you seriously if you don't get that. That you keep suggesting someone else does it for you merely reinforces it.

How many links did you count in this thread?

I've count 1. Does it mean that this forum doesn't follow "basic ettiquette of online forums"? So it seems.
Why then bother Grendel only?

Back to top

עַם יִשְרָאֵל חַי

IP Logged

mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #22 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 8:35pm Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2009 at 7:10pm: ROTFLMAO Oh and if people were really interested they check it out themselves from several sources and come back and say I was right. Or wrong!
Back to top	IP Logged

tallowood

Gold Member

Offline

Израиль Навсегда

Posts: 8339
Gender: male

Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution
Reply #23 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 8:38pm

mantra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2009 at 8:19am:

Only 10% of Israel's population are Arabs and they are the most underpaid workers in the state. What do you mean all or nothing - Tallow? Their parents and grandparents lost their homes and there have been 2 million Arabs flee Israel. Those remaining don't have the same advantages as the Israelis, although their conditions are improving a bit.

All the average Palestinian wants is a place where they are free to work, cultivate a little land for sustenance and educate their kids in peace.

And as far as Abu's comment on all previous Israeli leaders accepting a two-state solution - I find that hard to believe - it's just that Netanyahu is less diplomatic than previous leaders. If Israel wanted a two-state solution - it would have happened by now.

It is more then 20% as Grendel says.
Arabs had chance to have own state and Jews own. Jews agreed while Arabs wanted whole lot. Arabs started war against Israel and got their sorry bums kicked right and proper. The got nothing because they wanted all. I hope it makes it clear to you what I meant when I wrote that Arabs wanted all or nothing.

Back to top

עַם יִשְרָאֵל חַי

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59024
Gender: male

Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution
Reply #24 - Dec 5^th, 2023 at 9:19pm

Forget a Palestinian State, Let Jordan Rule

The late Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who passed away last week at the age of 100, gave a recent interview in which he suggested that Hamas’s terror attack October 7 had killed the two-state solution, and Jordan should rule the West Bank.

The October 18 interview, published by Politico on Saturday, is thought possibly to be Kissinger’s last. It includes the following:

I am in favor of a peaceful outcome. I don’t see a peaceful outcome with Hamas involved in the conflict. I would favor negotiations between the Arab world and Israel. I do not see, especially after these events, that direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians are very fruitful.

…

A formal peace doesn’t guarantee a lasting peace. The difficulty of the two-state solution is shown by the experience of Hamas. Gaza was made quasi-independent by [former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon in order to test the possibility of a two-state solution. It has led, in fact, to a much more complex situation. It has become so much worse in the last two years than it has been in 2005. So the two-state solution doesn’t guarantee that what we saw in the last weeks won’t happen again.

…

I believe the West Bank should be put under Jordanian control rather than aim for a two-state solution which leaves one of the two territories determined to overthrow Israel. Egypt has moved closer to the Arab side, so Israel will have a very difficult time going forward. I hope that at the end of it there will be a negotiation, as I had the privilege to conduct at the end of the Yom Kippur War. At that time, Israel was stronger relative to the surrounding powers. Nowadays, it requires a greater involvement of America to prevent a continuation of the conflict.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/03/kissingers-final-interview-forg...

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59024
Gender: male

Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution
Reply #25 - Dec 21^st, 2023 at 10:21am

Every offer Israel has made to the Palestinians for their own State has been scuppered by Palestinian leaders. Israel has nothing to gain by an unstable and violent neighbour intent on its destruction. Going all the way back to the Six Day War of 1967, the Israeli Cabinet voted - unanimously - to return the "occupied territories" to their former owners, and negotiate peace treaties with said former owners. The Arab response was the infamous "Khartoum Declaration" - "No recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no peace with Israel."

Israel's critics offer nothing that progresses the Two State Solution.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 61916
Here
Gender: male

Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution
Reply #26 - Dec 21^st, 2023 at 3:22pm

Frank wrote on Dec 5^th, 2023 at 9:19pm:

Forget a Palestinian State, Let Jordan Rule

The late Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who passed away last week at the age of 100, gave a recent interview in which he suggested that Hamas’s terror attack October 7 had killed the two-state solution, and Jordan should rule the West Bank.

The October 18 interview, published by Politico on Saturday, is thought possibly to be Kissinger’s last. It includes the following:

I am in favor of a peaceful outcome. I don’t see a peaceful outcome with Hamas involved in the conflict. I would favor negotiations between the Arab world and Israel. I do not see, especially after these events, that direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians are very fruitful.

…

A formal peace doesn’t guarantee a lasting peace. The difficulty of the two-state solution is shown by the experience of Hamas. Gaza was made quasi-independent by [former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon in order to test the possibility of a two-state solution. It has led, in fact, to a much more complex situation. It has become so much worse in the last two years than it has been in 2005. So the two-state solution doesn’t guarantee that what we saw in the last weeks won’t happen again.

…

I believe the West Bank should be put under Jordanian control rather than aim for a two-state solution which leaves one of the two territories determined to overthrow Israel. Egypt has moved closer to the Arab side, so Israel will have a very difficult time going forward. I hope that at the end of it there will be a negotiation, as I had the privilege to conduct at the end of the Yom Kippur War. At that time, Israel was stronger relative to the surrounding powers. Nowadays, it requires a greater involvement of America to prevent a continuation of the conflict.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/03/kissingers-final-interview-forg...

Quote:

The late Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who passed away last week at the age of 100, gave a recent interview in which he suggested that Hamas’s terror attack October 7 had killed the two-state solution, and Jordan should rule the West Bank.

Israel ruling the west bank for the last 50 years played a big role in the cause of the October 7th attack.

Quote:

late Secretary of State Henry Kissinger,

Was the Worst US statesman ever. Most would say that whatever he said just do the opposite.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Dec 21^st, 2023 at 3:46pm by Dnarever »

IP Logged

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 59024
Gender: male

Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution
Reply #27 - Dec 21^st, 2023 at 3:43pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 3:22pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 5^th, 2023 at 9:19pm:

Forget a Palestinian State, Let Jordan Rule

The late Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who passed away last week at the age of 100, gave a recent interview in which he suggested that Hamas’s terror attack October 7 had killed the two-state solution, and Jordan should rule the West Bank.

The October 18 interview, published by Politico on Saturday, is thought possibly to be Kissinger’s last. It includes the following:

I am in favor of a peaceful outcome. I don’t see a peaceful outcome with Hamas involved in the conflict. I would favor negotiations between the Arab world and Israel. I do not see, especially after these events, that direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians are very fruitful.

…

A formal peace doesn’t guarantee a lasting peace. The difficulty of the two-state solution is shown by the experience of Hamas. Gaza was made quasi-independent by [former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon in order to test the possibility of a two-state solution. It has led, in fact, to a much more complex situation. It has become so much worse in the last two years than it has been in 2005. So the two-state solution doesn’t guarantee that what we saw in the last weeks won’t happen again.

…

I believe the West Bank should be put under Jordanian control rather than aim for a two-state solution which leaves one of the two territories determined to overthrow Israel. Egypt has moved closer to the Arab side, so Israel will have a very difficult time going forward. I hope that at the end of it there will be a negotiation, as I had the privilege to conduct at the end of the Yom Kippur War. At that time, Israel was stronger relative to the surrounding powers. Nowadays, it requires a greater involvement of America to prevent a continuation of the conflict.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/03/kissingers-final-interview-forg...

Quote:

The late Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who passed away last week at the age of 100, gave a recent interview in which he suggested that Hamas’s terror attack October 7 had killed the two-state solution, and Jordan should rule the West Bank.

Jordan ruling the west bank for the last 50 years played a big role in the cause of the October 7th attack.

You are an ignorant idiot, duck.

Jordan occupied and ruled the West Bank UNTIL 1967 and NOT for the last 56 years.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 37920 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #28 - Dec 21^st, 2023 at 3:49pm turning gaza into a seaside resort and national park is step 1 the west bank will probably follow surrounding israel with a wildlife buffer. egypt can relinquish the sinai desert for the palestinians the egyptians arent using it. this is what a win/win looks like
Back to top	IP Logged

MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Netanyahu backs two-state solution Reply #29 - Dec 21^st, 2023 at 3:57pm aquascoot wrote on Dec 21^st, 2023 at 3:49pm: egypt can relinquish the sinai desert for the palestinians the egyptians arent using it. Except that Egyptians would rather eat their own sh!t than help the Palestinians.
Back to top	IP Logged