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Re: Multiculti death of Australian National Identity
Reply #180 - Jul 1st, 2009 at 9:41am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 30th, 2009 at 1:59pm:
You're the one who implies a difference between TRUTH and truth... By which I think you mean DOGMA.

Chucking liberty in there as an afterthought is disingenuous.

Christian dogma teaches that we are hopelessly flawed, sinners and not worthy of mercy... However, if you follow the doctrine in every word, deed and thought in excruciating detail,

god may make an exception in your case... or maybe not
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And if not it's hell... or purgatory... Doesn't sound very liberating.... sounds more like enslavement
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helian,

Unlike you, i believe in my, faithful God.

And unlike you, i believe and know that my God is just.

And i know also, that i am worthy of spiritual death,
....and i wait to be judged by my creator.



Knowing that my creator is just, if he chooses to 'delete' me, i won't complain.

Knowing that my creator is just, i will accept my fate.

That is the peace, in my heart,
.....I know that i am in the hand of a just God.



The spirit of my God, nevertheless, gives me the confidence and joy, to know that he has offered forgiveness [life, real LIFE!] to myself, and to all mankind.

I seek a brighter future for myself.

Am i selfish?

Or [knowing, what i know] am i a rational being?

The earth, and man, are dying, will die.i
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16  The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17  And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18  For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19  For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23  And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


Romans 14:7
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8  For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.



Choose LIFE.

In humility, and quietness, seek your God.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Multiculti death of Australian National Identity
Reply #181 - Jul 1st, 2009 at 12:34pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 1st, 2009 at 9:41am:
helian,

Unlike you, i believe in my, faithful God.

And unlike you, i believe and know that my God is just.

And i know also, that i am worthy of spiritual death,
....and i wait to be judged by my creator.

Knowing that my creator is just, if he chooses to 'delete' me, i won't complain.

Knowing that my creator is just, i will accept my fate.

That is the peace, in my heart,
.....I know that i am in the hand of a just God.

The spirit of my God, nevertheless, gives me the confidence and joy, to know that he has offered forgiveness [life, real LIFE!] to myself, and to all mankind.

I seek a brighter future for myself.

Am i selfish?

Or [knowing, what i know] am i a rational being?

The earth, and man, are dying, will die.

Choose LIFE.

In humility, and quietness, seek your God.

Why does a just and presumably all merciful creator have need of a hell?
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Re: Multiculti death of Australian National Identity
Reply #182 - Jul 1st, 2009 at 1:40pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 1st, 2009 at 12:34pm:
Why does a just and presumably all merciful creator have need of a hell?







helian,

God is just.

You can have confidence in that, i do.
....[silly Yadda.      /sarc off         Grin      ]



I don't know what hell is.

So i can not answer your question.




I know is that we are spirits, locked in this flesh, for a time.

And i know that there are good, and evil spirits.

Look at mankind in this world.




If you want to know the mind of God, read, study, the Bible, particularly the OT.

Meditate on what you read, for its [deeper] meaning [allegories, and analogies, and such].

I do not know the mind of God.

But i seek it!




I don't know a lot of things.

But I seek knowledge of the 'holy'.

Silly me.
/sarc off





Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #183 - Jul 1st, 2009 at 3:23pm
 
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Why does a just and presumably all merciful creator have need of a hell?


Hell is a fairly primitive view of things. Well, if you don't do what I want, we put you in a big burny thing that burns you lots and you melt and get burned again and then scream in agony and the devil gets hot pokers and puts them in your eyes..so its REALLY REALLY BAD!

So you have to do what God wants, and as we represent God - you have to do what WE want. Tool of social control.

For all our pretence at being sophisticated, most of us are really very silly monkeys in clothes. Jesus is the Messiah, no Mohammed is the Prophet, No the Rainbow Serpent made the world in dream time, no the God Vishnu is the lord of all the Hindu Gods, no the Norse Gods rule,  no the Druidic Gods rule, no the Great Earth mother rules...

How about..it's all just made up fairy tale nonsense for the weak minded?

Ok, you live for not long and you die. Yeah that might seem a tad 'unfair' on one view, but it would have been worse to have not lived at all. We as humans should attempt to prolong life and quality of life as urgent goals, as well as colonise the stars and leave this planet.

That is all more important than 'My God is bigger than your God.' It is in one sense like trying to explain astrophysics to a small child, many people do not have the mental capacity to understand the philosophical arguments about God. It normally comes down to..'Well who made the world then..HAH! You don't know - see it must be God!'

It all doesn't matter very much to me, other than I get assaulted by these primitive superstititions on a daily basis as reasons for either doing or refraining from doing things. I just want to shake people and say 'Hello. It's all a scam... you idiots!'
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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #184 - Jul 1st, 2009 at 3:44pm
 
Calanen,


If you want to believe that, OK.

My experience is different.

Why?

I'm not sure.




Is my experience real?

I'm 'betting the house on it'.          Grin




Can i prove it, to you.

No.

I wish you well.





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #185 - Jul 1st, 2009 at 5:18pm
 
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I'm 'betting the house on it'. 


Well ultimately it doesn't matter, because if you are wrong and you just die, you wont ever know you are wrong.

On the facts and evidence we know, it makes more sense not to believe in God than to believe in one.

I see Christians and the various other members of religion as allies against Islam, so I cant be too unkind I guess.

It still is not logical to believe in supernatural beings, or to disprove one supernatural being by playing another - like the Magic cards I used to see the nerds at uni playing with "My Allah Card beats your Vishnu Card!'
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