mozzaok wrote on Jun 14^th, 2009 at 9:40am:


I don't think you understand still, why it does.

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The same for 'solution' for any political party that came up with those policies. If I started a political party today, that had the same policies that Islam does, the state would declare war on me and imprison the members for treason. But because it's called a 'religion', that makes it ok? Does semantics justify treason?

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Actually no. I think we should educate people about what it really is, and we should be free to discuss what it really is.

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We should ban Islamic immigration, and we should strongly condemn any part of Islam being incorporated into the state, ever.

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They've already declared war against us. Islam is in a permanent state of war, against non-believing states. That's why they are called the dar al harb, the House of War. We can declare war on them, but it's already been declared. Its like terminating a contract after someone has already terminated it.

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It may one day come to that. Probably though some muslims do not want to be a part of taking over this state. But they are not going to support us, when we dont support ourselves. So for now, they are backing the side with some balls - Islam.

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Opposing the Third Reich didn't mean exterminating all Germans. It meant exterminating a philosophy. Islam, in its form now, which is irrevocable and infallible - requires that you and I die, convert, or live as slaves under Islamic rule. It requires that the whole world be subverted and converted to Islam. It requires all of the faithful to tirelessly work towards that goal, and by God they are, its everywhere all around us.

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No. I see that like most people, you have no balls.

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Was it 'bigotry' to confront the Third Reich? Was that Germanophobia? Islam has the same racist policies directed at Jews, who are considered apes and pigs, and the lowest form of life not to be trusted by Muslims from an early age. And they were taught that, long before Israel existed in the modern age.

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That's great. Well Islamic immigrants dont. Their teachings say that secular democracy, our courts, our laws, our police are an abomination in the eyes of allah, which must be destroyed with violence. Of course, once they touch down on the tarmac, they jettison those beliefs immediately because the Federal government has the top secret immigrant assimilation machine.

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Why should they do that when people like you are about to constantly make excuses for them? See the worse Islamic immigrants behave, the more responsible the dominant culture is - because you see - its our intolerance that has driven them to it. So they never have to take responsibility for their actions or behaviour, its always our fault. And as creeping sharia turns one suburb after another into a crime ridden ghetto from which westerners flee - you join one suburb into another over time, and eventually you have a muslim enclave. Then a muslim state.

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Hatred? Where is the hatred coming from? Its coming from 1400 years of violent warfare to force people through extreme violence and rape, and fear and terror to believe in a stupid, backward pathetic philosophy.

People like you will never get it until its too late. Im not waiting around until its too late. I am going to get the message out there in the West, together with 1000s of others. The tide is slowly turning.

As Thomas Paine said:

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Look I don't believe in yadda's jesus stuff, but by God I'd hand him a rifle and stand beside him in the trenches.  People say, oh but there are so many muslims and so few of us..rubbish... we have the following as allies:

- Russian Orthodox;
- Indian Sikhs
- Indian hindus
- Serbian Orthodox
- African Christians
- Westerners of all shades;
- Jews.

That's a big group of allies right there. Islam has only Islam against all of that. All of those groups may have differences against each other, but we need to put them aside and deal with the main enemy - Islam, defeat Islam first.

They won't know what hit em.

Good post yadda...  but I have a feeling he still wont get it.

Yadda wrote on Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:21am:


Those people never do.

What many forget now is that going to war against Hitler was still controversial in Britain. Many people thought that they should still negotiate, as it was Poland that was on the chopping block, not the UK. Appeasement, appeasement, appeasement - and it's never enough.  Although, unlike in WW2, we now have people behind our lines trying to Islamify our countries through the stealth jihad. Many people argued about how great fascism was for bringing Germany out of the depression, and, similarly, people are saying that sharia banking will do the same thing.

Litigation, violence, complaints, protests, charges of racism, threats, lobbying, increase of schools to join one islamic area into another, sharia banking - its all part of the plan to weaken and destroy our culture and islamify it.

Very Chritian sentiments you profess there Yadda.
Let's hope that all muslims are not insane raving fanatics, deserving of being compared to crocodiles, or rabid dogs.

Everything you say about Islam, I agree with in referring to Islamism, but I see them as the lunatic fringe, not the mainstream.

I see the mainstream muslims as just average joes, who want a peaceful life, much more so than extremists like the likes of you or Calanen at least.

There beliefs are misguided, but so are yours, so what?

The 98% of them who never cause any trouble, do not deserve to be vilified as our natural enemy that must be destroyed, which is how extremist Islamophobes try and portray them.

All this baying for blood and confrontation is unseemly from one who denounces Islamists for expressing similiarly distasteful sentiments.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16^th, 2009 at 8:38pm:

The problem is that Western civilization remains trapped in a universalist mentality.  Most in the West assume that there is only one correct standard and that it must apply to all people equally.  Thus, it is impossible to mount a defense of our people from alien peoples and ideologies without demonizing them (as Islamophobes do) or expressing some sort of supremacist ideology (classical imperialist ideologies, e.g. that of Cecil Rhodes).  Other peoples commonly practice moral particularism or even ingroup morality.  The Jews ask, "Is it good for the Jews?"  If we acted similarly, there would be no need to tell lurid tells about Islam (distasteful as it may be to some); it would only be necessary to exclude it as an alien element not suitable for our people.

Coral Sea wrote on Jun 17^th, 2009 at 6:23am:

The problem is that Western civilization remains trapped in a universalist mentality.  Most in the West assume that there is only one correct standard and that it must apply to all people equally.  Thus, it is impossible to mount a defense of our people from alien peoples and ideologies without demonizing them (as Islamophobes do) or expressing some sort of supremacist ideology (classical imperialist ideologies, e.g. that of Cecil Rhodes).  Other peoples commonly practice moral particularism or even ingroup morality.  The Jews ask, "Is it good for the Jews?"  If we acted similarly, there would be no need to tell lurid tells about Islam (distasteful as it may be to some); it would only be necessary to exclude it as an alien element not suitable for our people.
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Universalism means that we take certan truths to be real and as such, true for everyone. The unversal declarations of the 18th century sum up what these are.

Western universalism is up against eastern universalism, Islam, and the one thing that could help both to sort out theeir differences is not shared by Islam - the recognition of reason as the only universally shared way to discern these universal truth. That's the nub of the conflict - do we just give in to the universalism of unreason?

And just imagine if we indeed ended our univesalist 'mentality' and stopped, say, the non-dscrimanory immigration policies (supposedly based on merit, dscerned by reason) and decided that no people with univesalist ideas may enter our countries. The Muslims would be the first to be barred. Atheists next and Christians. And you can continue that thought to all sorts of other particularities and parochialisms.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16^th, 2009 at 8:38pm:



moz,

Just in, from real moslems in Pakistan.

June 16, 2009
Pakistan: Taliban threatens to kill, rape, and enslave non-Muslims

In accordance to centuries-old Islamic injunctions. "Pakistan Taliban Threatens To Kill, Rape, Non Muslims," by Jawad Mazhar for Worthy News, June 15:

    ........In a letter, seen by Worthy News Monday, June 15, the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) said non-Muslims should “embrace Islam”, or pay an Islamic tax known as 'Jaziva Tax' [jizya] to Muslim rulers, or leave Pakistan “forever”, if they don't want to be harmed.

Implementing Koran 9:29: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

And being true to the words of Muhammad: "Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war...When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them....If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them."(Sahih Muslim 4294)

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026605.php


moz,

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Why won't you ever hear your 'nice' muslims, in the mosques, in Australia, decry these threats against 'unbelievers' living in Pakistan, by those 'miscreant' moslems overseas, who

'misrepresent ISLAM'

, and are

'not-real-moslems'

???

You will never hear such sermons [being preached to moslems in Australia], decrying violence and threats against non-moslems.

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moz,

Your response is sadly, all very predictable.


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and...

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"Exposing the Islamophobes"
....Islamophobe (is-slahm-o-fohb) - A non-Muslim who knows more than they are supposed to about Islam.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Islamophobia.htm







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Proverbs 6:16
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17  A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18  An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19  A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


Psalms 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5  The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.


Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.