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Reply #30 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 11:21am
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 8:30pm:
locutius wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 11:01am:
mozzaok wrote on Jun 9th, 2009 at 8:54pm:
I already said I don't believe that Locutius intended it as a racist slur,


Correct Mozz, thanks for the benefit of the doubt and paying attention to past opinions expressed by me.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 9th, 2009 at 8:54pm:
but I maintain he erred in his judgement of the fact that it is indeed racist to stereotype any people as monkeys, even in a joke.



Fair enough. An error, but no intent to be racist. Photo's gone.



Rubbish.  All through page 1, you maintained your position, despite my criticisms and those of another.

It is only when your blue coated colleague comments that you hypocritically back off.

Your pants are at your ankles.


Then it's a damn good thing you're not behind me hey Aussie. Now go and watch your favourite redneck scene from Deliverance.
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Reply #31 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 11:27am
 
locutius wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 11:21am:
Then it's a damn good thing you're not behind me hey Aussie. Now go and watch your favourite redneck scene from Deliverance.

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Reply #32 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 11:51am
 
oceanz wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 8:57pm:
locutius wrote on Jun 10th, 2009 at 11:25am:
Amadd wrote on Jun 9th, 2009 at 7:49pm:
Grin Grin Grin

Mozz you are being absolutely ridiculous.
That photo was about 1/10th as offensive as the chasers skit and about ten time more funny.

Even Symonds himself wasn't offended when the Indians did their racist stuff - as they are apt to do.
If you're going to get all prissy about a harmless joke like that photo, then I think you've been well and truly brainwashed.

I'm sure you can see that oceanz is just after some payback because she's been well and truly exposed as a man-basher, and because  Richmond are sh!t.


Thanks Amadd,

I thought it was funny and not racist at all because I am not racist. But there you go. If it is 1/10th as offensive then it is still offensive through misinterpetted intent.

I also still reckon that Symonds would have had a great laugh at the media beat up of a non issue. But that is my conjecture and his priviledge.

And yes I do think Oceanz was still smarting, I also noticed that the use or expressions of physical attack to correct a verbal slight didn't seem to be worthy of a peep of criticism from her. Interesting view from the moral high ground.



I believe the opposite to my high moral ground ( Huh ) is your low moral ground ?..

Ill take it..Lock it in Eddie. Tongue

Dont you mean photos are gone? there were 2..after you were rebuked for the first..you posted a 2nd racist pic..


?? Are you speaking of the cartoon of Charles Darwin? Why on earth would you imagine that to be racial?

It is political if anything, and while meant to be offensive, I believe Darwin (one of my favourite human beings of all time) would have actually found it both amusing and complimentary.

Like I said concerning the moral high ground, your sideline approval for violence as a solution as opposed to discussion was interesting. Ever heard of the term "losing the moral high ground" I was suggesting that that is what you experienced.

I still maintain that the intent was not racist but that the perception was. At least by some of the people that viewed the image but not all.

I assume it's OK for one member to try to correct and defend the actions/opinions of another member. I assume, as previously stated that Mozza based his comments on a familarity of a good portion of the history of 1000+ posts I have made on this forum. I am at a loss as to why that needs to be a matter of attack. I don't have the time or inclination but I am sure you have regularly come to other forum member's defence when you thought they have been misunderstood or misquoted.

He agreed with you about the appropriatness of my post in the same way that he seems to have agreed with me about the appropriatness of your Matty Johns post.
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Reply #33 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:16pm
 
I'm missing out on all these photos - they're deleted as soon as they come up. If it's any consolation Locutius - I didn't find the monkey photo offensive.

What I find offensive is when racist names are directed personally at members.

I also missed out on Helian's bald man picture and I'm just wondering why some middle ground can't be found here. We're all adults - aren't we?
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Reply #34 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:32pm
 
mantra wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:16pm:
I also missed out on Helian's bald man picture and I'm just wondering why some middle ground can't be found here. We're all adults - aren't we?

My comment to Mozz was tongue-in-cheek.

My post depicted Carradine as Grasshopper from Kung Fu which I titled "That was Zen" and a second picture of a hanged man facing away from the camera titled 'This is Tao".

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Reply #35 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:40pm
 
Mantra, I did leave the original photo there for a few days, as after being told that the appropriate response to the photo was physical harm, I thought others should see for themselves. And if they were critical then voice their criticism sensibly.

I have always maintained that forum member's offensive or erroneous comments be kept for other members to form a picture of the people we are conversing with. I was very tempted to leave the photo on that basis alone. Racism is a stupid and discusting thing but while I can claim error of judgement for the photo I cannot apologise for any racist intent, there was none.

The cartoon of Darwin was an example of a favourite cartoon of a favourite person, and as explained, I cannot even marginally imagine that Darwin would have taken offence. As for it being racial, I am at a complete loss. More than just aimed at Darwin, that cartoon at the time was aimed at any and all that believed Darwin's Theory of Evolution. I include myself very happily as one of those Monkey-Men.

If you or any member missed the photo I posted, I would be happy, by way of only clearifying the issue PMing the photo.
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Reply #36 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:43pm
 
Loc, that photo of the pissed chimp was not offensive in the context it was delivered. This is a small forum not a national media site.
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Reply #37 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 2:56pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:32pm:
mantra wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:16pm:
I also missed out on Helian's bald man picture and I'm just wondering why some middle ground can't be found here. We're all adults - aren't we?

My comment to Mozz was tongue-in-cheek.

My post depicted Carradine as Grasshopper from Kung Fu which I titled "That was Zen" and a second picture of a hanged man facing away from the camera titled 'This is Tao".



Yes, funny and clever. Deserved to be a global twitter. Smiley
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Reply #38 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 3:43pm
 
locutius wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:40pm:
Mantra, I did leave the original photo there for a few days, as after being told that the appropriate response to the photo was physical harm, I thought others should see for themselves. And if they were critical then voice their criticism sensibly.

I have always maintained that forum member's offensive or erroneous comments be kept for other members to form a picture of the people we are conversing with. I was very tempted to leave the photo on that basis alone. Racism is a stupid and discusting thing but while I can claim error of judgement for the photo I cannot apologise for any racist intent, there was none.

The cartoon of Darwin was an example of a favourite cartoon of a favourite person, and as explained, I cannot even marginally imagine that Darwin would have taken offence. As for it being racial, I am at a complete loss. More than just aimed at Darwin, that cartoon at the time was aimed at any and all that believed Darwin's Theory of Evolution. I include myself very happily as one of those Monkey-Men.

If you or any member missed the photo I posted, I would be happy, by way of only clearifying the issue PMing the photo.


If the photo had been up a couple of days I probably did see it. It must have been fairly innocuous if I didn't notice it. If you can PM it - that's fine although I'm not sure the PM's accept photos.

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True - and most of the stuff here is very inoffensive. My biggest whinge has always been about personal attacks and abuse - but the occasional "controversial" photo seems harmless enough. But this is a conservative forum and Mozzaok is doing what he thinks best. Unfortunately being a moderator - you can never get it right for everyone.
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Reply #39 - Jun 11th, 2009 at 7:58pm
 
I do appreciate your view mantra, and I didn't remove Locutius pic, I just moved the whole thread, to the members boards, where we all get a lot of leeway.

You only need look at many of the posts in multiculturalism, and extremism boards to see that people are given plenty of scope to freely express their opinions.

So I think that these member boards give everyone enough opportunity to post views that we don't need to see in the Main Boards as well.

As far as the pic Helian posted, it was not really bad, but we have seen others post pics of torture and gruesome stuff before, and while I may have over reacted to the pic of a dead man hanging, I feared that it may have spurred others to post more graphic images, so I made a judgement call on that basis, not just that particular image, which was from behind, so you did not see any gruesome facial distortion, but I did fear that if we allow milder graphic stuff, it gets harder to draw the line at where to stop.
I'm sorry if it seemed heavy handed.
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Reply #40 - Jun 12th, 2009 at 1:30pm
 
mantra wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 3:43pm:
locutius wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:40pm:
Mantra, I did leave the original photo there for a few days, as after being told that the appropriate response to the photo was physical harm, I thought others should see for themselves. And if they were critical then voice their criticism sensibly.

I have always maintained that forum member's offensive or erroneous comments be kept for other members to form a picture of the people we are conversing with. I was very tempted to leave the photo on that basis alone. Racism is a stupid and discusting thing but while I can claim error of judgement for the photo I cannot apologise for any racist intent, there was none.

The cartoon of Darwin was an example of a favourite cartoon of a favourite person, and as explained, I cannot even marginally imagine that Darwin would have taken offence. As for it being racial, I am at a complete loss. More than just aimed at Darwin, that cartoon at the time was aimed at any and all that believed Darwin's Theory of Evolution. I include myself very happily as one of those Monkey-Men.

If you or any member missed the photo I posted, I would be happy, by way of only clearifying the issue PMing the photo.


If the photo had been up a couple of days I probably did see it. It must have been fairly innocuous if I didn't notice it. If you can PM it - that's fine although I'm not sure the PM's accept photos.

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This is a small forum not a national media site


True - and most of the stuff here is very inoffensive. My biggest whinge has always been about personal attacks and abuse - but the occasional "controversial" photo seems harmless enough. But this is a conservative forum and Mozzaok is doing what he thinks best. Unfortunately being a moderator - you can never get it right for everyone.


Sorry Mantra, you are correct. PM will not accept photo's. It was of a chimpanzee wearing a little suit asleep at a bar room table with a bottle of spirits on the table. Just in case you are thinking of the still visible cartoon of Darwin.
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Reply #41 - Jun 12th, 2009 at 10:29pm
 
....and you thought (quite deliberately, as your later posts about cricket politics/strategy confirm) to picture Symonds as a monkey because.........??
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Reply #42 - Jun 13th, 2009 at 1:03am
 
I don't see what the big kuffuffle is about Aussie. I think you're just stirring the pot.
I found the photo funny because it's a topical reminder that an entire nation can be seen as being racist because the media wants a story that will cause some reaction ...and therefore sell adverts.
The truth is that Symonds wasn't insulted anymore than any other cricketer that gives and takes a bit of mud slinging, it's just gamesmanship and it means absolutely nothing when they're having a beer after the game.

The aussies have been masters at throwing their opponents off their game over the years, and the monkey comments by the Indians were more funny because they were so pathetic.
Symonds took it so hard that he smashed them all over the park, but now he'll leave the politically correct aussies behind and take his great talent elsewhere...that's the real disappointment.

And where will he earn his freedom to have a few drinks as well as having time to go fishing and do all the things he likes to do in the peak of his health and vitality? He'll be so insulted that he'll snub all of those with cellophane skin and he'll earn big money from the Indians.
I say good on him. If you want the greatness, then you need to accept a few warts.

I'd much prefer to watch Symonds' greatness in short burts than the constant flow of mediocraity that will become the left over, sodden and politically correct cricketing world.
Keeping in mind that Boony was revered for breaking the Australia to England record of 48 cans set by Rod Marsh with a staggering 52 cans of VB!!  Now that's a feat worth making some talking dolls out of him.

But as those those dolls were being traded on Ebay, the cricketing world suddenly said "NOW YOU HAVE TO BE THIS". You cannot associate drinking with cricket anymore....even though our major sponsor is none other then VB.

So to me, that photo highlighted the intricate hypocrisy of it all and what we are letting ourselves become, which therefore made it much more funny than the initial Indian take on it. And if you need to explain a joke, then it ain't funny.


But in typical ACA style, this is what we should not display:

DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

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Reply #43 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 12:38am
 
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And where will he earn his freedom to have a few drinks as well as having time to go fishing and do all the things he likes to do in the peak of his health and vitality? He'll be so insulted that he'll snub all of those with cellophane skin and he'll earn big money from the Indians.
I say good on him. If you want the greatness, then you need to accept a few warts.


very true..Symonds is first and foremost a great cricketer and like most very skilled sportsmen has  an element of arrogance about him...he wont be too upset that he cant play ball with a few jumped up poms..and he can still command decent dosh from those less concerned with how he conducts his social life and more concerned with his skills and how he plays the game...



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Reply #44 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 11:39pm
 
We'll see how we go in the ashes series without him. It's going to be that much more boring.

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