Mozz you are being absolutely ridiculous.
That photo was about 1/10th as offensive as the chasers skit and about ten time more funny.

Even Symonds himself wasn't offended when the Indians did their racist stuff - as they are apt to do.
If you're going to get all prissy about a harmless joke like that photo, then I think you've been well and truly brainwashed.

I'm sure you can see that oceanz is just after some payback because she's been well and truly exposed as a man-basher, and because  Richmond are sh!t.

We see the results of racism daily, and I have a zero tolerance attitude to it.
I moved it to a member board so you can keep talking about it if you wish, as there is much more leeway here, to indulge yourselves, but we don't need it throughout the whole forum.

I already said I don't believe that Locutius intended it as a racist slur, but I maintain he erred in his judgement of the fact that it is indeed racist to stereotype any people as monkeys, even in a joke.

I do appreciate that it can be seen as a bit precious by me, but it is an issue that I just will not tolerate being seen to condone, in any way.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 9^th, 2009 at 8:54pm:


Correct Mozz, thanks for the benefit of the doubt and paying attention to past opinions expressed by me.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 9^th, 2009 at 8:54pm:


Fair enough. An error, but no intent to be racist. Photo's gone.

locutius wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 11:25am:



No sorry..not smarting..Im tougher than that .I just dont like cheap shots that attack someones humanity, Im very consistent about that..dehumanising is a dangerous practice..

But I'll accept Loc that you meant no real harm as its been stated this is your first lapse...

locutius wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 11:01am:



Rubbish.  All through page 1, you maintained your position, despite my criticisms and those of another.

It is only when your blue coated colleague comments that you hypocritically back off.

Your pants are at your ankles.

I don't know what you are always so angry about aussie, but you certainly know how to maintain the rage.

I know it is a concept you struggle to accept, but sometimes people are just telling the truth as they see it, and just because they are not seeing it the same way that you do, does not mean they are lying, just that they are not looking at it from the same perspective.

You should try trusting what people are saying, at least sometimes.

Most people do try to be honest, and most try to be decent, but we all see things from our own perspective, and sometimes just having someone politely point out that another view exists, will do more to help them recognise new ideas than just berating them, which usually just gets them more defensively attached to their original position.

I have never had any reason to doubt the sincerity of anything Locutius has said, and I firmly believe he did not even think of the image in racist terms,  but just as a poor taste joke, that was funny, and could equally have chosen the same image if it had been a caucasian person in trouble for drinking too much, it was the drunkeness that he considered was the humorous part.
That is how I interpreted he meant it, and I don't think he even recognised the racist angle until it was pointed out to him, and if you had done so in a less confrontingly aggressive manner, he probably would have seen it then, but the aggression of your post focused his attention onto dealing with that, rather than re-assessing what he had posted, and how it could be perceived differently than how he had seen it.

I'd be mindful of throwing stones after what you wrote about Matty Johns.
I had not seen that before, and it was most unfair of you to say what you did, mostly because it was false.

I have no admiration for his behaviour, but that doesn't mean he deserves to have it beaten up into something other than what it was, poor behaviour, not criminal behaviour.

As far as Aussie goes, his belligerence is not contained to Locutius, he accuses anyone he disagrees with of lying, and he is always in a seemingly perpetual state of rage, it would do his blood pressure, and civil debate, no harm if he wound it back a notch or two.

His accusations are often proved to be either unfounded, or based on misunderstanding, and I am suggesting he approach things less aggressively if he wants to debate, and not just berate.

I gave my interpretation of how I took Locutius' post, because I believe it to accurately reflect how he meant it, because he has never condoned racist behaviour in any way, and I believe that because he is not racist, that when he posted it, it did not even occur to him.
I already said I think that was a mistake on his behalf, but that is very different to how others would like to portray it.

He has accepted that it was poor judgement, and voluntarily removed the image which could have been considered offensive.

Can you accept that your intemperate words regarding Matty Johns was a mistake Oceanz?

Will you go back and self edit your mistake?

No surprise there, maybe have another look at your views in the morning,

Locutius had already explained his position, but as you obviously missed, or misunderstood it, I elaborated, in an attempt to help you understand, and I seem to stand as an optimist in that seemingly vain hope.