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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #60 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 9:11am A spot of bad luck for Ahmadinejad... And He likes his footy... Iran players don protest colours
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #61 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 9:16am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 8:41am: Speaking of, how come abu the paedophile praiser has not made a comment in here ?? Abu is not Shia and has expressed his contempt for the Iranian regime. Most Sunni Arab states would be happy to see the Persians taken down a peg or two.
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Reply #62 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 9:43am

Oh, they are the "wrong" sort of muslim !!!
Even though they use the same laws.

Appears the peaceful marches are having an effect.
(Peaceful from the protesters side)

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IRAN's opposition has stepped up its challenge to the Islamic regime by holding another rally even as the authorities cracked down hard on the media to try to contain the biggest crisis since the 1979 revolution.

Tens of thousands of supporters of defeated presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi took part in what was billed as a “silent” protest rally, marching through central Tehran.

Wearing green wrist- and head-bands in the colour of Mr Mousavi's campaign, the demonstrators carried placards accusing re-elected President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of having “stolen” their votes in Friday's poll.

Iranian state television broadcast brief footage of the rally.

Grappling with the biggest wave of public anger in three decades of Islamic rule, Iran lashed out at enemy “plots”, hauling in foreign ambassadors and rounding up scores of reformists.

The Iranian authorities threatened legal action against that publish material that “creates tensions” and issued a new warning to the foreign media, already facing tight restrictions on their work.

The media watchdog Reporters Without Borders said a dozen Iranian journalists and bloggers have been arrested and many others have gone into hiding.

Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khameini said he would consider a partial recount after the opposition held mass protests over what it charges was blatant rigging of the election that gave Mr Ahmadinejad another four-year term.

In defiance of an official ban, Mr Mousavi himself called for marches and a day of mourning today for protesters slain in the post-election clashes.

And he repeated his demand for the results of what he branded a “shameful fraud” to be annulled and a new vote called, in a statement on his movement's website.

Late yesterday, he and former reformist president Mohammad Khatami issued a joint letter urging the Iranian authorities to release those arrested in recent days and end the violence against their supporters.

“We ask you to take all the necessary measures to put an end to today's worrying situation, to stop the violent actions against people and to free those arrested,” said the letter, again published on his website.

Addressed to judiciary chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, it denounced violent actions and provocations against peaceful protestors and attacks against students and their halls of residence.

At least seven people have been killed and many more wounded in clashes, with protests reported not only in Tehran but also other major cities after an election that has exposed deep divisions in the oil-rich nation.

Mr Ahmadinejad remained defiant, saying his landslide victory in Friday's vote showed faith in his government of “honesty and service to the people.”

Khamenei, who has the final say on all matters of state, said he was asking the Guardians Council, a 12-member body made up of jurists and clerics, to examine the complaints of irregularities.

The council said it had invited Mr Ahmadinejad's three challengers to set out their grievances on Saturday.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #63 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 10:02am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 9:43am: Oh, they are the "wrong" sort of muslim !!! Even though they use the same laws. Nothing in religion and politics is ever that simplistic.
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Reply #64 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 10:48am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 8:02am:

Yep, that’s what they would do, in fact. But if the truth of a really big thing turns out to be false then god’s not speaking to you… or he’s lying to you (and then it’s not ‘god’ who’s doing the talking}. Here in the West our leaders, being only human, often lie, obfuscate, manipulate and betray their own causes… and god doesn’t come into it.

It's irrelevant if the "truth" in question is false, what matters is which message is heard most often and whom transmits that message.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 8:02am:

Many Iranians are no longer poor, ignorant and stupid and that’s a problem for the council of guardians.

Iran is a Third World country, so it's poor, and their average IQ is in the 80s, so they're stupid too. And if Iranians are like people everywhere else, most of them are likely ignorant.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 8:02am:

Cromwell? Given what he did to the Irish, a murdering psychopath and may the kunt rot in his hell for it.

It seems to me that has Irish policy was a success, and murder is hardly the same thing as refusing to give quarter to a city that refused to surrender. He was neither psychopathic nor a murdered but a shrewd and effective leader.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 8:52am:

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People power is nearing the point where it could move the hand of the Supreme Leader to either install Mousavi or hold re-elections.

True democracy in Iran will require the Islamic Republic to be overthrown and it's still a long road to that place.

Either way, support for the Islamic Republic and the mullahs' grip on power will be seen as massively weakened internally and externally... The cause of it's ultimate downfall has eaten into the facade.

Pre-election polling by Western agencies showed Ahmadinejad favored by a two to one margin, so don't bet on it. If anything his election was closer than expected. Let's not forget either that Mousavi is an ethnic Azeri in what remains a Persian empire. I know that if I were a Persian I would refuse to ever be led by an Azeri.

At any rate you seem to have an unhealthy concern over Iran's internal affairs. What concern is it of ours what system of government Iran has?

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Reply #65 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:04am

Coral Sea wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 10:48am:

It's irrelevant if the "truth" in question is false, what matters is which message is heard most often and whom transmits that message.

It's relevant when you want the people to believe that god is on your side.

Coral Sea wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 10:48am:

At any rate you seem to have an unhealthy concern over Iran's internal affairs. What concern is it of ours what system of government Iran has?

(Here we go, didn't take long, another Yank dropping in to tell us what it is.)

So what's a Yank doing dropping into an Aussie politics site?

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Reply #66 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:12am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:04am:

It's relevant when you want the people to believe that god is on your side.

The people hear only one message and believe they're damned if they don't obey it. This is an advantage over secular theocracies in that most of these "truths" rest on faith that cannot be disproven.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:04am:

(Here we go, didn't take long, another Yank dropping in to tell us what it is.)

So what's a Yank doing dropping into an Aussie politics site?

Not an argument, although I'll grant you that I veered into ad hominem territory myself. At any rate I think people are getting overly worked up about Iran's form of government, not least in my own country where the news media seems to be obsessed with it.

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Reply #67 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:21am

Coral Sea wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:12am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:04am:

(Here we go, didn't take long, another Yank dropping in to tell us what it is.)

So what's a Yank doing dropping into an Aussie politics site?

Not an argument, although I'll grant you that I veered into ad hominem territory myself. At any rate I think people are getting overly worked up about Iran's form of government, not least in my own country where the news media seems to be obsessed with it.

What's that about 'no man is an island'?

Maybe the fact that Iran appears to be attempting to develop a nuclear weapon makes it a concern to all what the bugger's going on inside Iran.

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Reply #68 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:27am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:21am:

Maybe the fact that Iran appears to be attempting to develop a nuclear weapon makes it a concern to all what the bugger's going on inside Iran.

I'm not sure that we need concern ourselves with whether or not they are a "real democracy" to deal with that issue. My nation is a "real democracy" and has enough nuclear power to turn Iran, or any other country, into a sea of glass. If we wish to prevent the development of nuclear weapons in Iran, and I agree that is in our strategic interest as oil consumers, then we can work on that directly.

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Reply #69 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:30am

Coral Sea wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:27am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:21am:

Maybe the fact that Iran appears to be attempting to develop a nuclear weapon makes it a concern to all what the bugger's going on inside Iran.

I'm not sure that we need concern ourselves with whether or not they are a "real democracy" to deal with that issue. My nation is a "real democracy" and has enough nuclear power to turn Iran, or any other country, into a sea of glass. If we wish to prevent the development of nuclear weapons in Iran, and I agree that is in our strategic interest as oil consumers, then we can work on that directly.

Tell you what, you concern yourself with what interests you and I'll concern myself with what interests me... then you can leave out the royal we.

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Reply #71 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:38am

Coral Sea wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:27am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:21am:

Maybe the fact that Iran appears to be attempting to develop a nuclear weapon makes it a concern to all what the bugger's going on inside Iran.

I'm not sure that we need concern ourselves with whether or not they are a "real democracy" to deal with that issue. My nation is a "real democracy" and has enough nuclear power to turn Iran, or any other country, into a sea of glass. If we wish to prevent the development of nuclear weapons in Iran, and I agree that is in our strategic interest as oil consumers, then we can work on that directly.

That's great - don't care until it's time to nuke them. Brilliant.

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Coral Sea Senior Member Offline American Politics Posts: 360 Chicago Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #72 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:41am Care about the issues that concern us (which differ somewhat between America and Australia of course) and work with them on those issues. Ignore everything else. And I'd rather nuke them than sit around wringing my hands over whether or not they're a "real democracy".
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41795 Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #73 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:41am coral sea - good on you. I like americans. Stick around.
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Reply #74 - Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:41am

Soren wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:38am:

Coral Sea wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:27am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 18^th, 2009 at 11:21am:

Maybe the fact that Iran appears to be attempting to develop a nuclear weapon makes it a concern to all what the bugger's going on inside Iran.

I'm not sure that we need concern ourselves with whether or not they are a "real democracy" to deal with that issue. My nation is a "real democracy" and has enough nuclear power to turn Iran, or any other country, into a sea of glass. If we wish to prevent the development of nuclear weapons in Iran, and I agree that is in our strategic interest as oil consumers, then we can work on that directly.

That's great - don't care until it's time to nuke them. Brilliant.

How else would Yanks learn geography? Wink

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