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Reply #30 - Jun 14th, 2009 at 12:31pm
 
maybe abu can clear this up for us.
one muslims says another one cheated his way to a polls victory .
Who is wrong ?



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Defeated Iranian presidential candidate Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani has reacted angrily to his surprise loss to hardline opponent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
In his first public statement following the election result, the moderate cleric alleged that an illegal dirty tricks campaign had been mounted.
The US meanwhile said Iran was out of step with current trends in the region.
Mr Ahmadinejad won 62% of the vote in Friday's presidential run-off poll - nearly twice Mr Rafsanjani's backing.
The conservative president-elect said his win was a blow to the country's enemies - an apparent reference to the US, which had criticised the election as flawed. Mr Rafsanjani, who was president between 1989 and 1997, was the favourite going into the election and had re-cast himself as a liberal who was more willing to engage with the West.
Conservatives are now in control of every elected and unelected institution of government in Iran.
'Revolution weakened'
In a statement carried by the ISNA news agency, Mr Rafsanjani said: "All the means of the regime were used in an organised and illegal way to intervene in the election." He condemned "those who spent hundreds of billions of rials (tens of millions of US dollars) of the people's money to defame me and my family".
However, Mr Rafsanjani said he would not be appealing against the result, saying Iran's judiciary had shown it "cannot or do not want to do anything. This I will leave to God."
The 70-year-old concluded: "I entered this election uniquely to serve the revolution, Islam, Iran and the people. Those who weakened a competitor chose to weaken the revolution.
"I hope the country will be cleared of these enemies and profiteers who are without logic or faith."
Mr Rafsanjani nonetheless said that "everyone should help" President-elect Ahmadinejad, who is currently the Mayor of Tehran.
International reaction
The White House responded to the poll result by expressing support for "those who call for greater freedom for the Iranian people".
The State Department said Iran was "out of step... with the currents of freedom and liberty that have been so apparent in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon".
UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said there were "serious deficiencies" in the election, noting that many reformists, and all women candidates, had been barred from standing.
He urged the new president to deal with international concerns over Iran's nuclear programme.
The European Union said it was ready to work with "any Iranian government" willing to progress on the questions of human rights, nuclear energy and other matters of concern......



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Reply #31 - Jun 14th, 2009 at 1:15pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 14th, 2009 at 12:31pm:
maybe abu can clear this up for us.
one muslims says another one cheated his way to a polls victory .
Who is wrong ?

You idiot.
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Reply #32 - Jun 14th, 2009 at 1:26pm
 
Iran used to be a good place to visit before the revolution. Now its a cesspool.
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Reply #33 - Jun 14th, 2009 at 10:21pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jun 14th, 2009 at 1:26pm:
Iran used to be a good place to visit before the revolution. Now its a cesspool.



It is still good to visit if you are a serious arms dealer.
Also you should consider that it may be allah's design to keep muslim world divided.



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Reply #34 - Jun 15th, 2009 at 1:32pm
 
Pity we have had a dictator cheat iranians of their 1st chance of a democracy.

Still, this was always on the cards.



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THE next 48 hours will be crucial in deciding the immediate crisis in Iran.

For a few hours yesterday, the regime headed by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appeared to be losing control of the country.

But by last night, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was inviting supporters to celebrate his victory near the scene of much of the capital's turmoil.

Iran is not used to public displays of rebellion such as thousands of people chanting "Down with the dictator."

The country has not seen anything like this since the fall of the shah and the rise of the Islamic revolution in 1979.

The regime was surprised by the numbers who took to the streets over the weekend, and their level of anger.

Many people approached me and other journalists to say the election had been "a big cheat", "a lie" or "a theft".
As the government realised the extent of the backlash, it mobilised its full force.

The riot police and the Revolutionary Guards, both loyal to Mr Ahmadinejad, were in no mood for subtlety.

It was obvious when they arrived that the orders were to break up the crowds quickly. At one intersection they charged, hitting whoever was in their path.

While the regime's tactics are clear, the key now will be how the opposition responds.

The opposition students' strategy appears to be to build a critical mass in public.

As in Beijing's Tiananmen Square 20 years ago this month, crowds are the big threat to this autocratic regime.

The authorities' worst fear is that 200,000 people would block off central Tehran, allowing the crowd to swell.

They see this not just as an election protest but as a threat to the regime, with Ayatollah Khamenei warning: "Enemies may want to spoil the sweetness of the Iranian nation's victory in this election."

Most of those protesting in the streets would not have been born when the Islamic revolution occurred 30 years ago.

One of them, a doctor, said: "I am Muslim because my father was Muslim. That's all."

He is typical of the alienated. He is a professional with two children and a comfortable life. But he says he is angry that he has no choice about the type of society he lives in.

He refused to vote, saying that would only give legitimacy to the religious figures who run Iran without having to face the people at a ballot box.

He said he was planning to smash a ballot box. He wanted to make a statement before the international media.

In the end, he stayed away -- wisely -- but he typifies younger Iranians who have lost faith in their country.

The reason young people are at the forefront of the opposition is that through the internet, university networks and travel they can see the choices that are available in other countries.

They have no hostility towards Islam -- many are proud Muslims. They just want more than a religious state that enforces strict codes of behaviour.

More violence is almost certain. But this regime, with the sheer weight of force, will shut down public dissent after a few tragic days.
Longer term, the ayatollahs must work out how to deal with an angry and alienated group.

The international response to the crisis was cautious. Kevin Rudd said Iran's nuclear ambitions had destabilised the region.

"This will be a difficult period ahead for the international community with the apparent re-election of Mr Ahmadinejad," Mr Rudd said.

US President Barack Obama's push for dialogue with Iran faces new obstacles.

"We obviously hope the (election) outcome reflects the genuine will and desire of the Iranian people," US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said.

Israel voiced concerns over the return of Mr Ahmadinejad, who has called for the Jewish state to be wiped off the map. "The results of the election show, now more than ever, how much stronger the Iranian threat has become," Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said.




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Reply #35 - Jun 15th, 2009 at 1:51pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 15th, 2009 at 1:32pm:
Pity we have had a dictator cheat iranians of their 1st chance of a democracy.

Still, this was always on the cards.

They may have been cheated of their democracy this time... but it won't be the first time. The first time was in 1953 when Britain and the US conspired to overthrow the democratically elected Mosaddeq government and reinstall the Shah which, with the Shah degrading into a despot, lead to the abomination of the Islamic Revolution of 1979.
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Reply #36 - Jun 15th, 2009 at 7:39pm
 
Looks like the pressure is building - not that any crazed islamic dictator gives a toss about that.

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IRAN'S defeated presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi has lodged a formal appeal on calling for last week's disputed election to be annulled.

Iran's defeated presidential election candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi at a news conference in Tehran. Picture: Reuters
His appeal came as Iran refused to allow Mr Mousavi’s call for a nationwide march to protest the disputed return of hardliner Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iran's president.

“No authorisation for a march or gathering has been issued and any kind of gathering or march is illegal,” an official with the interior ministry's public relations department told AFP.

“This statement is being issued after a request was made by Mr Mousavi to hold a march.”

The former premier had submitted a request on Sunday to hold a march to protest the landslide re-election of hardline Mr Ahmadinejad in a vote on Friday he claims was rigged.

The backlash to the election came amid warnings from Iranian political analysts that the return of hardliner Mr Ahmadinejad will weaken the Islamic republic and isolate it further from the rest of the world.

“Ahmadinejad's government will be weakened both within and abroad,” said Tehran-based analyst Saeed Laylaz.

Mr Ahmadinejad was declared victorious with a thumping majority but is facing stiff protests from Mr Mousavi, who has charged that votes were rigged to ensure Mr Ahmadinejad's return to power.

Mr Mousavi has condemned the election result as a “charade”.

Mr Ahmadinejad's victory has rattled not just large number of Iranians but also much of the international community.

Vice President Joe Biden has cast doubt on the validity of Mr Ahmadinejad's re-election in Iran, as European powers condemned the police crackdown that followed the poll.

“There is an awful lot of questions about how this election was run,” Mr Biden said in an interview with NBC television on Sunday.

“It sure looks like the way they are suppressing speech, the way they're suppressing crowds, the way in which people are being treated, that there are some real doubts about that,” he said.

Post-election protests and rioting on a scale not seen in Iran for a decade erupted on Saturday and touched off a police crackdown with some 170 people arrested.

“We are highly concerned because there was the beginning of a dialogue” between Iran's rival political factions, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said in Paris.

“I am sorry that instead of openness there has been a somewhat brutal reaction,” M Kouchner said.

In Berlin, Germany's top diplomat called the police crackdown “unacceptable” and also raised questions about the legitimacy of the vote.

“Reports of (voting) irregularities are a concern. I expect the authorities in Tehran to examine these accusations as closely as possible and to provide a comprehensive explanation.”

London-based Amnesty International also called for an investigation into “the shocking scenes of violence meted out by the security forces”. ........



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Reply #37 - Jun 15th, 2009 at 9:50pm
 
Iran's supreme (ie religious) leader has inctructed the opposition leader to take the election outcome to the courts, and also asked clerics to begin investigating.

Iran's unsurprising farce

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/15/iran-elections-ahmadinejad

With hindsight, we should have seen it coming. Why should a man who has bluffed, blustered, twisted, intimidated and – let's not dignify it with higher prose – lied his way through his four-year term of office surrender power to the whim of anything so mundane as a ballot box?

We do not yet have any forensic proof that Iran's presidential election was stolen – and given the country's notorious opacity, it may never emerge – but the circumstantial evidence is compelling. The aftermath of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election by an alleged landslide resembles, as the respected American academic on Iranian affairs, Juan Cole, put it, "a crime scene". Legitimate election wins are generally not accompanied by mass arrests of opposition members, the blocking of mobile phone networks and a multitude of news websites, or the forced closure of other candidates' headquarters, to name but three highly irregular developments that have all the hallmarks of a coup d'état.

For many (and not just the usual scapegoats of supposedly blinkered western journalists), it is a profound shock, especially since the reformist candidate, Mir Hossein Mousavi, seemed to have the wind and a tidal wave of popular support in his sails.

It shouldn't have been. The brazen manner of Ahmadinejad's power grab is simply a fulfilment of his nature and that of his acolytes. Anyone who lived in Iran – as I did – during Ahmadinejad's first term will recognise that the developments of the past few days are rooted in a political approach that emphasises chutzpah and a ruthless will to power at the expense of consensus and dissent.

That philosophy was explained to me a couple of years ago by Ebrahim Yazdi, leader of the Freedom Movement and foreign minister in Iran's first post-revolutionary government. Yazdi characterised Ahmadinejad's surprise 2005 election victory as a "velvet coup d'état" which was reinforced via a "victory through terrorisation" credo. "The philosophy is that you terrorise people in order to succeed," Yazdi said.

The great election robbery is its latest manifestation. Neither Ahmadinejad nor his patron-in-chief, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – Iran's supreme leader in whom ultimate authority is presumed to reside – have ever had much use for democratic niceties.

During the 2005 election campaign, Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying that "Iran did not have a revolution in order to have democracy". His behaviour ever since has reflected that belief, even if the window dressing of elections and their accompanying paraphernalia – colourful campaigns and televised debates, et al – have been preserved for appearance's sake.

Ahmadinejad's 2005 win was tainted with allegations of ballot fraud, which appears in retrospect to be a dry run for the present scenario. His presidency has been marked by the closure of critical newspapers, magazines and websites, the hounding of officials of previous governments, and well-publicised crackdowns on women's activists and people wearing the wrong clothes. He is, in short, no respecter of personal freedoms or civil liberties.

During this year's campaign, Mousavi accused Ahmadinejad of pursuing policies that would lead to dictatorship. It seemed a bit far-fetched. Yet suspicions of Ahmadinejad's intentions have been fuelled by reports of his admiration for constitutional reforms introduced by his friend and ally, the Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, that would dispense with term limits and allow him to seek re-election indefinitely. Likewise, he seemed to forestall the outcome of last week's election in remarks to aides, saying: "The other candidates know that I am going to be elected president once again. Why are they committing suicide and making propaganda just to collect votes?"

It is this backdrop that is shrouding Ahmadinejad's re-election in billowing mushroom clouds of suspicion, not some mythological failure of visiting western journalists to leave their temporary boltholes in affluent north Tehran, as claimed by Abbas Barzegar here on Saturday.

Barzegar painted a picture of gullible reporters buried in wishful thinking and hoodwinking themselves into exaggerating Mousavi's support by failing to leave the capital and sample the religious (and pro-Ahmadinejad) fervour prevailing in Iran's heartland. "Iran is a deeply religious society," he argued, a hackneyed assertion which – unlike election results – is impossible to quantify or measure but which westerners are presumably too dim to understand. This is sanctimonious drivel. Religion does indeed run deep in Iranian society, but Mousavi was hardly running on an atheist ticket. Nor were the other two candidates, Mehdi Karroubi (a turbaned cleric, let us remember) and Mohsen Rezai, a former revolutionary guard commander once close to the late Ayatollah Khomeini. Opposition to Ahmadinejad runs across social boundaries – and includes many who consider themselves religious.
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Reply #38 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 9:05am
 

freediver - there is already a thread on this, under "politicians suck".

Do you want to add this to that one ??
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Reply #39 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:19am
 
If the Iranian election turns out to be fraudulent, it would demonstrate once again that a theocracy is doomed to be a perversion of its own principles (presuming honesty and honour are included in its primary ideals).

Hopefully it will be a wake-up call to those Muslims who dream of the Caliphate's restoration as to what kind of tyranny they would be invoking.

Supreme, executive, unelected leaders will invariably be corrupted by power... A truth from which not even god can save them.
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Do you honestly think the Ayatolla who has praised Allah for this victory even though he now has ordered a investigation into the election will allow any other outcome other than it being a clean result?
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Grendel wrote on Jun 16th, 2009 at 12:14pm:
Do you honestly think the Ayatolla who has praised Allah for this victory even though he now has ordered a investigation into the election will allow any other outcome other than it being a clean result?



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TWITTER STREAMS BREAK IRAN NEWS DAM

11:16 AEST Tue Jun 16 2009 1 hour 17 minutes ago
By Glenn Chapman

Protesters in Iran have been using Twitter for battle cries and to spread word about clashes with police and hardline supporters of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Twitter messages, some with links to pictures, streamed from Iran on Monday despite reported efforts by authorities there to block news of protests over Ahmadinejad's insistence he had been fairly re-elected.
Pictures of wounded or dead people that senders claimed were Iranian protesters ricocheted about Twitter and wound up posted at online photo-sharing websites such as Flickr as well as on YouTube.
A protester was reportedly shot dead during clashes in Tehran as massive crowds of people defied a ban to stage a rally against the disputed re-election of Ahmadinejad.
A local photographer said the protester had been shot with a bullet to the head and that more were wounded when violence erupted outside a local base of the Islamic Basij militia, which had been set ablaze.
The trouble flared after Ahmadinejad's defeated rival Mir Hossein Mousavi appeared in public for the first time since an election that has sharply divided the nation and triggered protests and rioting.
"Iranelection" was the top Twitter trend of the day, and a message thread led by "Persiankiwi" appeared to be orchestrating hacker attacks on official Iran websites while firing off updates on developments in the streets.
"We are going offline to get a phone free for calling out," Persiankiwi tweeted at midday. "We are also moving location - too long here - is dangerous."
A subsequent Persiankiwi tweet reads "Attacked in streets by mob on motorbikes with batons - firing guns into air - street fires all over town - roads closed."
Twitter users were also slamming mainstream media outlets for not covering the Iranian election aftermath more intensely.
A "CNNfail" thread at the US-based micro-blogging service critiqued the cable news network's coverage throughout the weekend.
"This is all seriously power to the people, in more ways than one," a Twitter member using the screen name "kianarama" tweeted.
Twitter was being used as an international command centre by people intent on keeping news from Iran flowing at online social-networking services.
Twitter users such as "bwernson" shared lists of proxy computer servers that could be used to sidestep internet traffic blocks in Iran.
Even if a regime manages to block internet and mobile telephone communication, there is still "sneakernet," a reference to taking hard drives or memory sticks loaded with data beyond the reach of the censorship.
"In the end, as long as there is a way to communicate at all there is always a way to make messages move and get them out to the broader world," said Erik Hersman, who co-founded "crowd-sourcing" mobile telephone platform Ushadidi in Kenya last year.
"There is always a way to make messages move and get them out to the broader world. Of all the mediums, SMS is just the lowest barrier to entry and the easiest to propagate."
Twitter users can text messages of no more than 140 characters to unlimited numbers of mobile telephones. Tweets can also be read online at Twitter.com.
"Nonviolent resistance movements are typically driven by students, young people who are increasingly born digital natives," Ushadidi board member Patrick Meier wrote in a presentation posted online at iRevolution.
"Resistance movements are likely to make even more use of new communication technology and digital media in the future. At the same time, however, the likelihood and consequences of getting caught are high."
"Organisational hierarchies are being broken down as youth adopt new technologies," Meier said.



As it was mentioned before, anything can be said and done to uphold and progress muslim religion’s supremacy.

Looks that some young lives will be lost in doomed cause.
Number of casualties depends on when they give up.
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ONE PROTESTER SHOT DEAD IN IRAN: REPORT
10:50 AEST Tue Jun 16 2009

A protester has reportedly been shot dead and several people have been wounded during clashes in Tehran as massive crowds defied a ban to stage a rally against the disputed re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
International criticism of the crackdown on opposition protests and the election mounted on Monday, with US President Barack Obama saying he was "deeply troubled" by the violence.
An Iranian photographer, declining to be named, told AFP that the fatal incident occurred in front of a local base of the Basij volunteer militia, which was set on fire. The dead man had been shot in the head.
Pictures of the incident showed armed men, wearing helmets and in civilian clothes, pointing guns at the crowds from the rooftop of the base. The photographer said the protester was killed by shots fired by the armed men.
If the death is confirmed, it would be the first since the violence erupted, the worst in Iran since student demonstrations in 1999 triggered a week of unrest across the nation.
An AFP correspondent at the rally also said police had clashed with protesters and that crowds of people were seen fleeing. He said shots were heard and a plume of thick black smoke billowed into the sky above a central square.
Police also fired tear-gas as dozens of protesters set motorbikes, tyres and rubbish bins ablaze.
Witnesses said the clashes erupted at the end of the rally when armed men dressed in plainclothes who did not appear to belong to the police started shooting at people.
Amid the escalation, Iran's electoral watchdog, the Guardians Council, said it will soon take a decision on the complaints of vote-rigging filed by defeated presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi.
The violence flared after Mousavi appeared in public for the first time since an election that has sharply divided the nation and triggered a wave of protests and rioting.
"God willing, we will take back our rights," Mousavi shouted from the roof of a car amid a sea of hundreds of thousand of Iranians, young and old, who packed into central Tehran despite the authorities ordering a ban on the rally.
Iran, battling one of its worst crises since the Islamic revolution three decades ago, faced a growing international backlash over the validity of Friday's election and the subsequent crackdown on opposition protests.
US President Barack Obama said on Monday he wanted to be "very clear" that "it is up to Iranians to make a decision about who Iran's leaders will be."
Obama added that he was "deeply troubled" by the violence he had been seeing in television news broadcasts from Tehran.
"Whenever I see violence perpetrated on people who are peacefully dissenting, and whenever the American people see that, I think they're rightfully troubled."
UN chief Ban Ki-moon has called for the will of the Iranian people to be "fully respected".
European governments complained about the tactics used against protesters and added their voices to US doubt over the election outcome, with the EU calling on Tehran to launch a probe into the results.
"The regime must address the serious questions which have been asked about the conduct of the Iranian elections," British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier described the action of the security forces as "completely unacceptable," while French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he wanted "full light" to be shed on the vote.
Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ordered a probe into allegations of vote-rigging after Ahmadinejad was returned to power in a landslide, an election that dented Western hopes of a change in domestic and foreign policy of the oil-rich nation.
State television said Khamenei - the all-powerful spiritual leader of the Islamic republic since 1989 - had told Mousavi he had instructed the Guardians Council supervisory body "to precisely examine" his complaints.
The Council head said a decision would be taken soon.
"I hope it will not take long that the noble people will see that the question has been examined in the best way and we will give the result to the people," Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati said on state television.
A spokesman for the 12-member Guardians Council had earlier said it would announce its decision in 10 days.
Mousavi, 67, lodged a formal appeal on Sunday for the cancellation of the results of what he charges was a rigged "charade."
"The vote of the people is more important than Mousavi or any other person," Mousavi told the crowds on Monday.
Demonstrators, some wearing the green of Mousavi's campaign colour, swarmed into central Tehran as riot police looked on. One policeman said between 1.5 million and two million people had turned out.
Monday's demonstration comes a day after the combative Ahmadinejad himself addressed a vast victory rally in Tehran to defend the results, saying the people of Iran had triumphed against the "world arrogance" (the West).
The authorities have warned they would crush any "velvet revolution" in Iran and police said on Sunday they had rounded up 170 people over the protests, including a number of reformist leaders.
On Saturday, Tehran witnessed widespread clashes between riot police who clubbed and tear-gassed stone-throwing protesters who set bins and vehicles on fire in violence on a scale not seen in a decade.

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Reply #43 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 12:48pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jun 16th, 2009 at 12:14pm:
Do you honestly think the Ayatolla who has praised Allah for this victory even though he now has ordered a investigation into the election will allow any other outcome other than it being a clean result?

He won't want to, but he'll risk a revolution. Like the fall of dictators in Eastern Europe, he's doomed to underestimating the level of popular anger and overestimating the regard of the people for the Islamic Republic.

Maybe Obama's Cairo speech has helped to give heart to Iranian youth that there is a way out of their theocratic hell.
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ONE PROTESTER SHOT DEAD IN IRAN: REPORT
10:50 AEST Tue Jun 16 2009

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The Iranian authorities have also cracked down on local and foreign media, with Mousavi's own newspaper reportedly suspended and international outlets reporting the arrest and harassment of their journalists.
Telephone and internet services have also been disrupted.




Without external help this round is doomed to fail.

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