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Reply #270 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:34pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:20pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:08pm:
Will they continue Shahab or will they become lackeys of Zionism like Sunni states?

So that'll be one with everything?


I don't know about everything and not even sure about virgins distribution in this case. Does Ahmadinejad conspire to keep all of them to himself? It would explain why so many Iranians get upset.

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Reply #271 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:38pm
 
tallowood wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:34pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:20pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:08pm:
Will they continue Shahab or will they become lackeys of Zionism like Sunni states?

So that'll be one with everything?


I don't know about everything and not even sure about virgins distribution in this case. Does Ahmadinejad conspire to keep all of them to himself? It would explain why so many Iranians get upset.


That'll be five fifty... a dollar on top for ketchup.
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Reply #272 - Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:43pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:38pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:34pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:20pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 11:08pm:
Will they continue Shahab or will they become lackeys of Zionism like Sunni states?

So that'll be one with everything?

I don't know about everything and not even sure about virgins distribution in this case. Does Ahmadinejad conspire to keep all of them to himself? It would explain why so many Iranians get upset.

That'll be five fifty... a dollar on top for ketchup.


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Reply #273 - Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:34am
 




One can only say, whatever happens to the iranian leaders, they have bought it upon themselves.


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IRANIAN riot police beat and detained mourners who gathered at a Tehran cemetery yesterday for a defiant graveside commemoration for protesters killed in violence that followed the re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Riot police used sticks, batons, belts and teargas on some of the 2000 people who turned up at the cemetery on the capital's southern outskirts where the protesters are buried, and also forced the main opposition leader, Mir Hossein Mousavi, to leave, witnesses said.

Some mourners responded by hurling stones at police and chanting slogans in support of Mr Mousavi. He was forced to leave just minutes after his arrival while police swarmed around fellow reformist Mehdi Karroubi, witnesses said.

"Today is a mourning day. Loyal Iranians are the mourners today," shouted the crowd as police surrounded Mr Karroubi........



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Reply #274 - Aug 1st, 2009 at 10:28am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:34am:
One can only say, whatever happens to the iranian leaders, they have bought it upon themselves.

They have... And the Islamic Republic will pass into history in the way all tyrannies do... First fear, then overreaction, an orgy of bloodlust, then final collapse, then death... Because, in the end, they'll run out of time and the means to kill everybody.

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Reply #275 - Aug 2nd, 2009 at 10:34pm
 
here is an excellent article on Iran by the novelist Martin Amis. It is well worth reading all of it.


Martin Amis: The end of Iran's ayatollahs?


...what we seem to be witnessing in Iran is the first spasm of the death agony of the Islamic Republic. In this process, which will be very long and very ugly, Mir Hossein Mousavi is likely to play a lesser role than Neda Agha Soltan, whose transformation (from youth, hope, and beauty, in a matter of seconds, to muddy death) unforgettably crystallised the core Iranian idea – the Shia tragedy and passion – of martyrdom in the face of barbaric injustice. Neda Soltan personified something else, too: the modern.

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What remains, then, you might wonder, as you deplane at Tehran's Imam Khomeini International Airport, and enter a city where no cab-driver will stop for a cleric – what remains of the legacy bequeathed by the Father of the Revolution, or alternatively by "that smacking asshole", as he is reflexively called, in English, by the youth of the cities of Iran? Khomeini's notion of the Velayat-e Faqih, or rule by the vice-regent of God (ie, the top mullah, ie, Khomeini), was so unhistorical that many of its angriest opponents came from the clergy. Political participation, in Shia theology, is seen as a contaminant. And with good reason: that power corrupts is not a metaphor; and absolute power, combined with absolute self-righteousness, defined the insane nightmare of Khomeini's rule.

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Reply #276 - Aug 4th, 2009 at 5:52pm
 
I wonder if Ahmadinejad will have his mehdi in time to tell everybody to shut up?

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Reply #277 - Aug 11th, 2009 at 1:11pm
 

Got to hand it to ahmad, he is NOT a man to disagree with !!!!!

Just like a good old fashioned ethnic cleansing or program.......



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IRAN'S president has conducted a purge of the nation's intelligence ministry, sweeping aside ranking officials with decades of experience in favour of loyalists, according to several Iranian sources, including a former intelligence chief's son.

The move underscores the deep rifts and disarray within the highest echelons of the country's security apparatus in the wake of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's disputed June 12 re-election.

Analysts say the purge flushes away decades of intelligence experience. Even after the 1979 Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic, chose to co-opt the clandestine services into his new government rather than start from scratch.

''(Mr) Ahmadinejad has practically taken command of the most significant security organ in the country and is embarking on a retaliation project,'' Hassan Younesi, the son of former intelligence minister Ali Younesi, wrote on his blog. ''Never has the intelligence ministry witnessed such a politically motivated purge.''

Officials in the Revolutionary Guard allied with the President have moved to rid the powerful Ministry of Intelligence and Security of senior officers deemed disloyal to Mr Ahmadinejad and his allies, analysts say.

Ahmad Avai, a lawmaker, accused Mr Ahmadinejad of ''settling scores'' with intelligence ministry officials who had showed unspecified disloyalty to him, according to an interview published by Fararu.ir, a news website.

''We have to be worried about the ongoing clean-up at the intelligence ministry and the persistence of this trend will irreparably harm the ministry,'' he said, describing the dismissed officials as ''pious, experienced and law-abiding''.

Among those sacked were the ministry's second in charge and the chief of counterintelligence, Mr Younesi said. The news website Alef.ir, which is close to conservative lawmaker Ahmad Tavakoli, said those leaving included the head of the ministry's technology department, a 25-year veteran; its parliamentary liaison; and the chief of ministry security, who is believed to be a confidant of Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Some analysts say Mr Ahmadinejad was enraged at the ministry after its leader, Gholamhossein Mohseni-Ejei, opposed the airing of taped confessions extracted from detained election protesters and politicians. The President sacked him last month.

Analysts have also said that many in the ministry supported presidential challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi over Mr Ahmadinejad.

Mr Ahmadinejad last month made himself temporarily de facto chief of the agency, which has operatives and offices all over the country.

He said he would seek the approval of Parliament for a new cabinet, including an intelligence minister, by mid-August.



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Reply #278 - Aug 11th, 2009 at 4:32pm
 

It is all similar to other regimes, change comes when you get military unhappy with the system, or when majority of people get to the point that they do not care if they will be alive or not and take matters in their own hands.

Demonstrations were an indication of that, but not enough people were ready to sacrifice their life, so back to pressure cooker for now.

Pity that more lives have to be lost.
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Reply #279 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 11:43am
 
this is determined stirring stuff.

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Iranian detainees 'tortured to death'

ONE of Iran's defeated opposition presidential candidates has said some protesters held after June's disputed poll were tortured to death in prison.

Mehdi Karroubi alleged that a number of detainees had been tortured to death and called for the formation of an independent committee to review his evidence in "a calm atmosphere".

"Some young people are beaten to death just for chanting slogans in (post-election) protests," his website said.

The claim came as Iran's top opposition leader said the abuse and death of protesters detained after the disputed presidential elections shows the need for "deep change" in the country -- the most sweeping call to date for reform of the system.

Reformists have seized on the mistreatment of detainees at Kahrizak prison as a way to keep pressure on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who they claim stole the June 12 election through massive fraud.

"What is happening in prisons today clearly shows the need for a deep change in the country," said Mir Hossein Mousavi on his website. Influential conservatives have also criticised the abuse at Kahrizak and the three deaths known to have taken place there.

Senior police and judiciary officials have tried to calm public outrage by acknowledging some detainees were abused in prison and calling for those responsible to be punished.

The Islamic Revolution Mujahedeen Organisation said this week that Mr Ahmadinejad and Interior Minister Sadeq Mahsouli were to blame for the "crimes committed at Abu Ghraib Kahrizak".

"These two people are responsible for all violations, illegal behaviour and appalling treatment of detainees at Kahrizak prison," the reformist party said in a statement posted on its website.

The reference to Abu Ghraib is particularly inflammatory because the Muslim world was outraged by pictures that surfaced in 2004 of US military personnel torturing Iraqi detainees at the prison outside of Baghdad.

Iran's parliament speaker, Ali Larijani, sought to defuse some of the controversy by denying allegations this week that protesters detained at Kahrizak were raped by their jailers.

"The issue of detainees being sexually abused is a lie," Mr Larijani told an open session of parliament, according to Iran's official news agency IRNA.

"On the basis of precise and comprehensive investigations conducted about the detainees at Kahrizak and Evin prisons, no cases of rape and sexual abuse were found."


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Reply #280 - Sep 3rd, 2009 at 9:14am
 

this is what muslims think of the free west.

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A FORMER Revolutionary Guard commander wanted by Interpol for orchestrating the worst terrorist attack in Argentina looks set to become the new Iranian defence minister after parliament signalled it would confirm the provocative choice.

General Ahmad Vahidi is alleged to have planned the bombing of a Jewish centre in Buenos Aires in 1994 when he commanded the Quds force, a unit of the Revolutionary Guard responsible for foreign operations. He is one of five Iranians sought over the bombing in which 85 people died. Iran denies it was involved.

Israel and Argentina reacted with outrage at his nomination - which came as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad tried to get his new cabinet approved by MPs - with Buenos Aires calling it "an affront to Argentine justice and to the victims of the brutal terrorist attack". US President Barack Obama called General Vahidi's inclusion in the cabinet "disturbing".

International opposition, however, seems only to have strengthened his chances, despite a tough fight for Mr Ahmadinejad to push through his chosen candidates in the face of conservative and reformist disquiet.

One member of parliament, Hadi Qavami, interrupted General Vahidi's speech to say he had initially opposed the nomination but changed his mind after "the Zionists' allegations" and would now vote for him. The comment drew praise and chants of "Death to Israel!" from other deputies.

The chairman of the Iranian foreign policy committee, Alaeddin Boroujerdi, said the allegations "will not have any negative impact on the assessment" of General Vahidi's suitability for the job.

"Rather, it may increase his vote," he told Iran's state news agency. Not one MP voiced opposition during Tuesday's hearing.

The vote overnight on the full cabinet line-up of 26 ministers was expected to be a key test of remaining support for Mr Ahmadinejad after the bruising election dispute. He has faced opposition even from within the hardline camp on several of his choices, with accusations that he is favouring slavish loyalty over qualifications for the job.

Analysts said the cabinet would eventually be approved, but a stormy process could damage Mr Ahmadinejad politically at a time when Iran is embroiled in a row with the West over its nuclear program.

Saeed Jalili, Iran's top nuclear negotiator, sounded a more conciliatory note to the international community yesterday, saying Tehran was ready to present a new package of proposals to foreign governments in the hope of restarting talks on its nuclear program.

US officials said they had yet to receive any official notification from Tehran and it remained unclear whether the new proposal was substantively different from the one rejected by Western powers last year. Efforts to restart talks have repeatedly floundered over Iran's refusal to halt uranium enrichment. Representatives of Britain, the US, France, Germany, China and Russia were to meet in Frankfurt overnight to discuss tougher sanctions targeting the Iranian energy sector.

Mr Jalili said Mr Ahmadinejad's re-election had given the country a powerful mandate to put forward a new proposal - a surprising interpretation of the disputed victory that has thrown the country into its worst crisis since the Islamic revolution.

The power struggle triggered by the elections has opened cracks even among the conservative establishment and led to unprecedented criticism of Mr Ahmadinejad and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.

Mr Jalili's comments are timed to dampen down that row as Iran grapples with the increasing prospects of punishing new sanctions on the import of refined petroleum products. China and Russia are reluctant to agree to such sanctions but the other key Western governments have reached agreement to impose tougher measures.

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Reply #281 - Sep 8th, 2009 at 12:37pm
 
looks like Ahmads iron tight acceptnocriticism tyrannical islamic leadership prevails.
no way will he listen to any Ayatollah.

poor iranians, a bad time has passed you all, a wonderful opportunity was stolen from your grasp.

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Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to listen to "benevolent criticism" as the hardliner began another term in office amid opposition claims his re-election was fraudulent.

"There is internal criticism backed by foreign media with the aim of sabotage but there is also benevolent criticism which may not come from supporters of the government but they contain good comments," Khamenei said in a meeting with Ahmadinejad and his cabinet, state television reported.

He called on the government to have its "ears open to criticism".

Also on Monday a leading Iranian conservative clerical group told Ahmadinejad to avoid "provocative" comments, in a first such message to the hardliner whose disputed re-election has bitterly divided the political elite.

"We ask the president and the government to seriously try to solve people's problems and the country's economic and social issues and avoid talking about unnecessary and provocative issues," the Society of Militant Clergy said in a statement.

"The comments made and the disrespect committed in the debates, speeches and rallies before and after the election caused divergence," said the statement carried on their official website.

The group also rebuked the opposition, which alleges the election was massively rigged, for pursuing its demands "outside law" and sparking street protests. But it called for "consoling" those harmed in post-vote unrest.

In June, Khamenei had strongly backed Ahmadinejad and denounced the opposition when the president's re-election sparked massive week-long protests.

Last week some of Ahmadinejad's nominees as ministers faced tough criticism in the conservative-dominated parliament before the majority of his cabinet was approved by the house.

Some prominent conservative MPs pronounced several members of his team inexperienced and incompetent, but 18 of his 21 proposed ministers passed the vetting, reportedly after intervention by Khamenei.

Ahmadinejad began his second term by reaffirming vows of social justice but his reformist and conservative critics accuse the president of having stoked inflation and wasted Iran's oil riches.

At least 30 people - and by opposition accounts 72 - were killed in the protests which have plunged Iran into its worst crisis in three decades.

The Society of Militant Clergy groups a large number of conservative clerics and its members include former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and former nuclear negotiator Hassan Rowhani.

Ahmadinejad attacked Rafsanjani and accused his sons of corruption during a televised debate before the election with his main opponent and opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, who has called for continued protest against election "fraud."

Ahmadinejad has called for the prosecution of opposition leaders over the unrest

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Reply #282 - Sep 9th, 2009 at 12:37pm
 

Next best opportunity?

I don't think election will be one of them!
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Reply #283 - Sep 18th, 2009 at 10:13pm
 
he's a nutter

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IRANIAN President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the Holocaust was a "myth" as he addressed the annual Quds Day rally in Tehran today, reiterating comments that sparked outrage around the world.

"The very existence of this regime is an insult to the dignity of the people,'' the hardliner said referring to arch-foe Israel.

"They (Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews.

"If as you claim the Holocaust is true, why can a study not be allowed?'' the Iranian president said to chants of "Death to Israel'' from the crowd gathered for the annual display of solidarity with the Palestinians.

"The pretext for establishing the Zionist regime is a lie ... a lie which relies on an unreliable claim, a mythical claim, and the occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with the Holocaust,'' he said.
"This claim is corrupt and the pretext is corrupt.''



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the people have the taste of democracy though


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HUNDREDS of Iranians, wearing green accessories, shouted slogans in support of opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, as they marched at the annual Quds Day rally in Tehran.

A witness said that the crowds of young men and women, many wearing green wristbands, were shouting "Ya Hossein! Mir Hossein!'' and also called for the release of political prisoners detained since the aftermath of the June 12 presidential election.

They also chanted "Don't be afraid, we are all together'' and "Neither Gaza nor Lebanon, I will sacrifice myself for Iran,'' the witness said, adding the crowds were marching from the central Vali Asr square towards Tehran university.

Hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose re-election remains hotly contested by the opposition, was due to give a keynote address at the university later.

Green was the signature colour of Mousavi's election campaign.



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Reply #284 - Sep 19th, 2009 at 12:04pm
 


The iranians have my 'spect.
very brave to do what they are doing


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IRANIAN opposition supporters fought running battles with riot police and hardliners last night as tens of thousands mounted the first protest in two months against the re-election of hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Protesters defied dire warnings from top officials against demonstrating during the annual mass display of solidarity with the Palestinians that is one of the set pieces of the Islamic regime.

As Mr Ahmadinejad gave the keynote speech at Tehran University, renewing comments about Israel and the "myth" of the Holocaust that have sparked an international outcry, tens of thousands chanted "Death to the dictator" in nearby streets, witnesses said.

Shouting slogans in support of the hardliner's main challenger in the June 12 election, Mir Hossein Mousavi, the protesters gathered in major squares around the capital before joining the annual march to the university.

Hardline supporters of the regime among the more than 100,000 people who joined the Quds (Jerusalem) Day rally, mounted counter-demonstrations leading to repeated scuffles between the two sides, the witnesses said.

Riot police, armed with batons, beat protesters who were pelting them with stones in the central Haft-e Tir Square, witnesses said.

Police fired teargas to disperse the protesters, who were throwing stones and shouting: "Torture and rape are not effective any more", a witness said. The demonstrators were referring to opposition allegations of abuses against some of the more than 4000 activists and reformist politicians detained during the post-election disturbances.

Plain-clothes militiamen also battled the protesters in the same square.

"The plain-clothesmen on motorcycles rode into the crowd of opposition supporters as they were returning from the rally, detained several of them and beat them with batons," one witness said.

The demonstrators continued to chant "Death to the dictator" and "Allahu Akbar (God is greatest)" as they were being beaten, the witness added.

The opposition leader was forced to abandon his plans to take part in the rally after an angry crowd of hardliners shouting "Death to the hypocrite Mousavi" attacked his car, the official IRNA news agency said.

Former president Mohammad Khatami, a key supporter of Mr Mousavi whose 1997-2005 term of office saw a thaw in relations with the West, was also assaulted by hardliners before being rescued by riot police.

Mr Khatami's brother Mohammad Reza Khatami said the former president was "not hurt".

"Some people shouted slogans against him," the brother said. "He is home now. He is not hurt and he is fine."

There were also reports of clashes at Quds Day events in other major cities, as the unrest over the presidential election flared up again for the first time since July 19 in a sign of the seriousness of the challenge facing the regime.

Members of the Basij Islamic militia attacked and detained demonstrators in Tabriz in the northwest and in Isfahan south of the capital.

The wave of protests came despite a threat from the Revolutionary Guards Corps to crush any renewed attempt to contest the official election results giving Mr Ahmadinejad a landslide victory.

In his Quds Day address, the hardline President again described -- in his usual hysterically inaccurate and grossly insulting way -- the mass extermination of Jews during World War II as a "myth" and said Israel was on its way to collapse.

"They (Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews," he said to chants of "Death to Israel" from his supporters among the crowd.

"The pretext for establishing the Zionist regime is a lie ... a lie which relies on an unreliable claim, a mythical claim, and the occupation of Palestine has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

"This regime's days are numbered and it is on its way to collapse. This regime is dying."

Similar comments made by Mr Ahmadinejad shortly after his first election as president in 2005 sparked an international outcry and prompted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to describe Iran as an "existential threat" to the Jewish state.

Then Mr Ahmadinejad said Israel was "doomed to be wiped off the map".

The pro-reform camp claims Mr Mousavi was the rightful winner of the election and that the government faked the balloting in Mr Ahmadinejad's favour.

For a month after the June balloting, thousands of opposition supporters held street demonstrations against the vote fraud but were met with a heavy government crackdown.


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