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Reply #15 - Jun 12^th, 2009 at 8:02pm

Coral Sea wrote on Jun 11^th, 2009 at 2:06am:

Democracy and freedom have little to do with each other, and I doubt very much that a conservative Islamic nation wants "freedom" in the Western liberal sense of the term, despite all attention the media loves to give the pseudo yuppies on Tehran's north side.

It seems to me that the two Iranian candidates are merely debating foreign policy in the same way America's political parties do. To translate, Ahmadinejad would perhaps be considered a "neoconservative" or a "unilateralist" in the West and his opponent would be considered a "realist" or a "multilateralist".

If Mousavi were to win, the United States will likely return to the same rhetoric we used when the "reformist" Khatami was President. We will simply charge that Iran isn't a "real" democracy and that the President has little power compared to the Council of Guardians.

That's a good observation of real politics in Iran.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41785 Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #16 - Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:06pm Mousavi probably would NOT say he wanted israel wiped from thre planet. There IS a difference.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #17 - Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:10pm tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 8:02pm: That's a good observation of real politics in Iran. And an obvious one. The Iranian President is more like a head of government than head of state.
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Reply #19 - Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:22pm

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:10pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

That's a good observation of real politics in Iran.

And an obvious one. The Iranian President is more like a head of government than head of state.

I wonder how independent they really are?

Check out the Iranian Constitution.

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Reply #20 - Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:45pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:22pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:10pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

That's a good observation of real politics in Iran.

And an obvious one. The Iranian President is more like a head of government than head of state.

I wonder how independent they really are?

Check out the Iranian Constitution.

Which one? They had quiet a few over years?
Which one did you read?

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Reply #21 - Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:50pm

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:45pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:22pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:10pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

That's a good observation of real politics in Iran.

And an obvious one. The Iranian President is more like a head of government than head of state.

I wonder how independent they really are?

Check out the Iranian Constitution.

Which one? They had quiet a few over years?
Which one did you read?

The Constitution of 1979 (amended 1989).

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Reply #22 - Jun 12^th, 2009 at 11:19pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:50pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:45pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:22pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:10pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

That's a good observation of real politics in Iran.

And an obvious one. The Iranian President is more like a head of government than head of state.

I wonder how independent they really are?

Check out the Iranian Constitution.

Which one? They had quiet a few over years?
Which one did you read?

The Constitution of 1979 (amended 1989).

Did you read it?

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Reply #23 - Jun 12^th, 2009 at 11:36pm

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 11:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:50pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:45pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:22pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:10pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

That's a good observation of real politics in Iran.

And an obvious one. The Iranian President is more like a head of government than head of state.

I wonder how independent they really are?

Check out the Iranian Constitution.

Which one? They had quiet a few over years?
Which one did you read?

The Constitution of 1979 (amended 1989).

Did you read it?

Yeah.

The butler did it.

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Reply #24 - Jun 13^th, 2009 at 9:13pm

Darn it, there was a whisper of this in another article.

Quote:

HARDLINE President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad resoundingly won Iran's election, preliminary official results showed on Saturday, but his moderate challenger alleged irregularities and claimed victory for himself.

The level of the incumbent's support, roughly twice as many votes as former Prime Minister Mirhossein Mousavi with most ballots counted, confounded analyst predictions of a tight race.

A bitterly fought campaign generated intense excitement inside Iran and strong interest around the world, with policymakers looking for signs of a change in Tehran's approach in a long-running row with the West over its nuclear ambitions.

Listing several complaints before official results were announced, Mr Mousavi said many people had not been able to vote and that there had been a lack of ballot papers.

He also accused authorities of blocking text messaging, with which his campaign tried to reach young, urban voters.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25631072-12377,00.html

before the ballot boxes had closed, the old madman declared the new guy had lost already

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Reply #25 - Jun 13^th, 2009 at 9:26pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:10pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

That's a good observation of real politics in Iran.

And an obvious one. The Iranian President is more like a head of government than head of state.

Which, of course, is by far the more important position.

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Reply #26 - Jun 13^th, 2009 at 9:34pm

A SENIOR Israeli official said yesterday the consensus among his colleagues in Jerusalem was that a victory for the hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the Iranian elections would be in Israel's best interest.

"His extremism and his calls for Israel's destruction have pushed the international community to try to head off Iran's nuclear program," he said.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25627629-15084,00.html

Ahh... The wiley joos win again, eh?? They musta rigged it for old Imadinnerjacket.

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Reply #27 - Jun 13^th, 2009 at 10:00pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 11:36pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 11:19pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:50pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:45pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:22pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 10:10pm:

tallowood wrote on Jun 12^th, 2009 at 8:02pm:

That's a good observation of real politics in Iran.

And an obvious one. The Iranian President is more like a head of government than head of state.

I wonder how independent they really are?

Check out the Iranian Constitution.

Which one? They had quiet a few over years?
Which one did you read?

The Constitution of 1979 (amended 1989).

Did you read it?

Yeah.

The butler did it.

The butler told me that Iran is staffed not because of Iranians but because most of them are muslims. Shocked

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #28 - Jun 13^th, 2009 at 10:22pm tallowood wrote on Jun 13^th, 2009 at 10:00pm: The butler told me that Iran is staffed not because of Iranians but because most of them are muslims. Staffed? What, with butlers?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41785 Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #29 - Jun 14^th, 2009 at 11:56am sorn - the wiley joos are amazing at their logic. I read where they reckoned it was good that the extreme hamas won and killed the more moderate. Cause now it showed the hamas up for what they were, and ALL the responsibility was on their shoulders.
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