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Reply #195 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:03pm
 
Palestinian thugs (I mean freedom fighters) are shipped to Teheran to terrorise and kill Iranian citizens ( I mean resist the Zionist entity).

And this is not, unfortunately, the usual pallywood fakery production. Neda Agha Soltani was not so lucky. She is actually shot dead in Teheran by imported Palestinan thugs.

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Reply #196 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:09pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:03pm:
Palestinian thugs (I mean freedom fighters) are shipped to Teheran to terrorise and kill Iranian citizens ( I mean resist the Zionist entity).

And this is not, unfortunately, the usual pallywood fakery production. Neda Agha Soltani was not so lucky. She is actually shot dead in Teheran by imported Palestinan thugs.

The majority of the Basij are Palestinian. Apparently many working with Hezbollah and Hamas were called to Iran to support Basij in Tehran.
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Reply #197 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 8:14am
 

Mousavis a good man. He'ld certainly get my vote.

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DEFEATED challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi has vowed to resist what he says is huge pressure to end his campaign to overturn Iran's presidential election.

Ignoring an international outcry over the post-election unrest gripping Iran, victorious incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has told US counterpart Barack Obama to stop meddling in the affairs of the Islamic republic.

But a top dissident cleric has warned Iran's rulers their suppression of opposition protests could threaten the very foundations of the Islamic regime, which is grappling with the biggest upheaval since the 1979 revolution.

Mr Mousavi insisted he would not be cowed by threats but said he was under pressure to withdraw his demand that the authorities cancel the results of an election he says was a "shameful fraud" marred by widespread irregularities.

"I won't refrain from securing the rights of the Iranian people ... because of personal interests and the fear of threats," the one-time premier said on his newspaper website, Kalemeh.

"My access to people is completely restricted," he said, complaining about restrictions such as the closure of newspapers and problems at his websites.

Reports said authorities had rounded up more than 140 Mousavi supporters, political activists, journalists and university lecturers since the disputed election.



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Reply #198 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 8:45am
 
It's starting to look increasingly probable that the Guardian Council headed by the Supreme Leader is not in fact as supreme in Iran as the military and Ahmadinejad. It may soon be revealed that the geriatric council are simply frontmen subject to the authority of senior military leaders and the President - all, no doubt, hardened veterans of Iran's war of attrition with Iraq (Ahmadinejad was a member of the basij and other units of the revolutionary guards during the war).

This would make Iran less of a theocracy and closer to a military dictatorship with leaders who have an almost innate siege mentality, although that mindset is probably shared by the mullahs and much of the country.

If this is true, then I believe the chances of talking Iran out of the bomb is nil.
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Reply #199 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 9:54am
 

helian - I guess, given the lack of a democratic system a theocracy needs to have a military dictatorship underneath it.


yes, there is no talking iran out of a nuke.
their attitude has always been uncompromising. With other countries or with their own people.
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Reply #200 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 12:14pm
 
Some words from Mousavi ??
I cannot vouch for the authencity, but agree with many of the sentiments.

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"In the name of God, the kind and the merciful

Indeed god demands you to safe keep what people entrust in you, and to rule them with justice. [this a verse of Koran]

Respectable and intelligent people of Iran, These nights and days, a pivotal moment in our history is taking place. People ask each other: “what should we do?, which way should we go?”. It is my duty to share with you what I believe, and to learn from you, may we never forget our historical task and not give up on the duty we are given by the destiny of times and generations.

30 years ago, in this country a revolution became victorious in the name of Islam, a revolution for  freedom, a revolution for reviving the dignity of men, a revolution for truth and justice. In those times, especially when our enlightened Imam [Khomeini] was alive, large amount of lives and matters were invested to legitimize this foundation and many valuable achievements were attained. An unprecedented enlightenment captured our society, and our people reached a new life where they endured the hardest of hardships with a sweet taste. What this people gained was dignity and freedom and a gift of the life of the pure ones [i.e. 12 Imams of Shiites]. I am certain that those who have seen those days will not be satisfied with anything less. Had we as a people lost certain talents that we were unable to experience that early spirituality? I had come to say that that was not the case. It is not late yet, we are not far from that enlightened space yet.

I had come to show that it was possible to live spiritually while living in a modern world. I had come to repeat Imam’s warnings about fundamentalism. I had come to say that evading the law leads to dictatorship; and to remind that paying attention to people’s dignity does not diminish the foundations of the regime, but strengthens it.

I had come to say that people wish honesty and integrity from their servants, and that many of our perils have arisen from lies. I had come to say that poverty and backwardness, corruption and injustice were not our destiny. I had come to re-invite to the Islamic revolution, as it had to be, and Islamic republic as it has to be. In this invitation, I was not charismatic [articulate], but the core message of revolution was so appealing that it surpassed my articulation and excited the young generation who had not seen those days to recreate scenes which we had not seen since the days of revolution[1979] and the sacred defense. The people’s movement chose green as its symbol. I confess that in this, I followed them.

And a generation that was accused of being removed from religion, has now reached “God is Great”, “Victory’s of God and victory’s near”, “Ya hossein” in their chants to prove that when this tree fruits, they all resemble. No one taught hem these slogans, they reached them by the teachings of instinct.


How unfair are those whose petty advantages make them call this a “velvet revolution” staged by foreigners! [refering to state TV and Khameneni, perhaps!] But as you know, all of us were faced with deception and cheatings when we claimed to revitalize our nation and realize dreams that root in the hearts of young and old. And that which we had predicted will stem from evading law [dictatorship], realized soon in the worst manifestation.

The large voter turnout in recent election was the result of hard work to create hope and confidence in people, to create a deserving response to those whose broad dissatisfaction with the existing management crisis could have targeted the foundations of the regime. If this good will and trust of the poeple is not addressed via protecting their votes, or if they cannot react in a civil manner to claim their rights, the responsibility of the dangerous routs ahead will be on the shoulders of those who do not tolerate civil protests. If the large volume of cheating and vote rigging, which has set fire to the hays of people’s anger, is expressed as the evidence of fairness, the republican nature of the state will be killed and in practice, the ideology that Islam and Republicanism are incompatible will be proven.

This outcome will make two groups happy: One, those who since the beginning of revolution stood against Imam and called the Islamic state a dictatorship of the elite who want to take people to heaven by force; and the other, those who in defending the human rights, consider religion and Islam against republicanism. Imam’s fantastic art was to neutralize these dichotomies. I had come to focus on Imam’s approach to neutralize the burgeoning magic of these. Now, by confirming the results of election, by limiting the extent of investigation in a manner that the outcome will not be changed, even though in more than 170 branches the number of cast votes was more than 100% of eligible voters of the riding, the heads of the state have accepted the responsibility of what has happened during the election.

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In these conditions, we are asked to follow our complaints via the Guardian council, while this council has proven its bias, not only before and during, but also after the election. The first principle of judgment is to be impartial. I, continue to strongly believe that the request for annulling the vote and repeating the election is a definite right that has to be considered by impartial and nationally trusted delegation. Not to dismiss the results of this investigation a priori, or to prevent people from demonstration by threatening them to bloodshed. Nor to unleash the Intelligence ministry’s plain clothes forces on people’s lives to disperse crowds by intimidation and inflammation, instead of responding to people’s legitimate questions, and then blaming the bloodshed on others.

As I am looking at the scene, I see it set for advancing a new political agenda that spreads beyond the objective of installing an unwanted government. As a companion who has seen the beauties of your green wave, I will never allow any one’s life endangered because of my actions. At the same time, I remain undeterred on my demand for annulling the election and demanding people’s rights. Despite my limited abilities, I believe that your motivation and creativity can pursue your legitimate demands in new civil manners.

Be sure that I will always stand with you. What this brother of yours recommends, especially to the dear youth, in terms of finding new solutions is to not allow liars and cheater steal your flag of defense of Islamic state, and foreigners rip the treasures of the Islamic republic which are your inheritance of the blood of your decent fathers. By trust in God, and hope for the future, and leaning on the strength of social movements, claim your rights in the frameworks of the existing constitution, based on principle of non-violence.

In this, we are not confronting the Basij. Basiji is our brother. In this we are not confronting the revolutionary guard. The guard is the keeper of our revolution. We are not confronting the army, the army is the keeper of our borders. These organs are the keepers of our independence, freedom and our Islamic republic. We are confronting deception and lies, we want to reform them, a reform by return to the pure principles of revolution.

We advise the authorities, to calm down the streets. Based on article 27 of the constitution, not only provide space for peaceful protest, but also encourage such gatherings. The state TV should stop badmouthing and taking sides. Before voices turn into shouting, let them be heard in reasonable debates. Let the press criticize, and write the news as they happen. In one word, create a free space for people to express their agreements and disagreements. Let those who want, say “takbeer” and don’t consider it opposition. It is clear that in this case, there won’t be a need for security forces on the streets, and we won’t have to face pictures and hear news that break the heart of anyone who loves the country and the revolution.

Your brother and companion Mir Hossein Mousavi

(Photo: A supporter of Iran's defeated presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi shows her hand covered in the blood of a wounded person during a demonstration on June 20, 2009 in Tehran, Iran. Thousands of Iranians clashed with police as they defied an ultimatum from supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei calling for an end to protests over last week's disputed presidential election results. Iranian police have tried to break up protest using water cannon, tear gas, batons and live rounds. Getty.)



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Reply #202 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 3:19pm
 

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/26/2608954.htm?section=justin

CRACKDOWN SILENCES TEHRAN STREETS
By Middle East correspondent Anne Barker for AM

Iran's opposition forces appear to be running out of options to challenge the presidential election result.
Since the bloodshed and mayhem on Wednesday at Tehran's Baharestan Square, Iran's hardline regime appears to have regained the upper hand.
If opposition protesters are not beaten into submission, they are arrested or intimidated into staying at home.
The protesters are now off the streets and Iran's state-owned Press TV, broadcast in English, is presenting a picture of calm.
The main opposition candidate, Mir Hossein Mousavi, is coming under increasing pressure to withdraw his complaints against the presidential election.
Mr Mousavi faces possible arrest if he appears in public and he has not been seen in public since appearing at a rally nearly a week ago.
But he is refusing to give in and his supporters are still hopeful that a growing rift at the highest levels of Iranian power might offer a solution.
Mr Mousavi's newspaper Green Word has been shut down and scores of his supporters have been detained in recent days.
A report on his website claims 70 university professors were arrested after a meeting with him on Wednesday and many supporters fear it is just a matter of time before Mousavi too is under arrest.
One such supporter is high-profile human rights lawyer Shirin Ebadi, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2003.
"The arrest of Mir Hossein Mousavi could fuel present unrest," he said.
"I hope this doesn't happen."
But still Mr Mousavi refuses to give in. His website says he is continuing with legal challenges against the election result.
And it speaks of growing divisions between those in power including a rift between President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the parliamentary speaker, Ali Larijani.
The blog reads: "The head speaker at the Iranian Parliament is reportedly outraged by today's proceedings. Pro-Ahmadinejad supporters are upset that he is showing signs of support for the recent protest they have threatened Larijani with impeachment."


HIGH LEVEL SPLIT
More significantly there is a widening split between Iran's supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the man who appointed him two decades ago, former president Ali Akbar Rafsanjani.
Mr Rafsanjani is a known supporter of Mr Mousavi, pitting him against the Ayatollah and it is now him who carries the hopes of the opposition.
Mousavi supporters are hopeful Mr Rafsanjani may be preparing to speak publicly against the regime but it is unclear what stance he will take on the election.
Until then Mr Mousavi is recommending more subtle ways of protest.
Today's most provocative act may be the release of thousands of green helium balloons as a tribute to those people killed in the recent violence.




Looks that it is over, and apparently election is hailed as one of most honest elections in Iran.

I just scratch my head, what were the other elections like?

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Reply #203 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 6:27pm
 
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Successful revolutions have three phases. First, a strategically located single or limited segment of society begins vocally to express resentment, asserting itself in the streets of a major city, usually the capital. This segment is joined by other segments in the city and by segments elsewhere as the demonstration spreads to other cities and becomes more assertive, disruptive and potentially violent. As resistance to the regime spreads, the regime deploys its military and security forces. These forces, drawn from resisting social segments and isolated from the rest of society, turn on the regime, and stop following the regime’s orders. This is what happened to the Shah of Iran in 1979; it is also what happened in Russia in 1917 or in Romania in 1989.

Revolutions fail when no one joins the initial segment, meaning the initial demonstrators are the ones who find themselves socially isolated. When the demonstrations do not spread to other cities, the demonstrations either peter out or the regime brings in the security and military forces — who remain loyal to the regime and frequently personally hostile to the demonstrators — and use force to suppress the rising to the extent necessary. This is what happened in Tiananmen Square in China: The students who rose up were not joined by others. Military forces who were not only loyal to the regime but hostile to the students were brought in, and the students were crushed.
This is also what happened in Iran this week. ...


This article by George Friedman is a follow up on his strategic forecast for Iranian affairs.

However the events did expose tensions among the political elite of Iran and also helped to bring Obama to reality that don't conform to his fantasies about islam.



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Reply #204 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 8:40pm
 
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Group of Eight foreign ministers rebuked Iran over its crackdown on protesters disputing the result of the June 12 presidential election, while taking steps not to isolate the Iranian regime.


Business as usual .... as usual
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/26/2610136.htm?section=justin

CALL FOR IRAN 'RIOTERS' TO BE EXECUTED
Posted Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:42pm AEST

A hardline Iranian cleric has called for the execution of "rioters", in a sign of the authorities' determination to stamp out opposition to the June 12 presidential election result.
Iran's top legislative body, the Guardian Council, said it had found no major violations in the election, which it called the "healthiest" vote since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
The council had already rejected a call for the annulment of the vote by moderate former Prime Minister Mir Hossein Mousavi, who has led mass protests since he was declared a distant second in the election behind incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
"I want the judiciary to... punish leading rioters firmly and without showing any mercy to teach everyone a lesson," Ahmad Khatami told worshippers at Tehran University.
Iranian state television said eight Basij militiamen were killed by "rioters" during the protests. State media previously said 20 people were killed in the marches.
Iranian authorities have accused Mr Mousavi of being responsible for the bloodshed, while the moderate former prime minister says the government is to blame.
Mr Khatami, a member of the Assembly of Experts, said the judiciary should charge the leading "rioters" as being "mohareb" or one who wages war against God.
"They should be punished ruthlessly and savagely," he said.
Under Iran's Islamic law, punishment for people convicted as mohareb is execution.
Mr Mousavi's supporters plan to release thousands of balloons later today with the message: "Neda you will always remain in our hearts", in memory of Neda Agha Soltan, the young woman killed last week who has become an icon of the demonstrations.
Mr Khatami said Neda was killed by the rioters themselves for propaganda purposes.
"By watching the film, any wise person can understand that rioters killed her," he said.
Britain's Times newspaper quoted Dr Arash Hejazi, an Iranian who appeared on internet videos helping Neda, as echoing opposition charges the 26-year-old music student was killed by a government militiaman.
"She was just a person in the street who was against the injustice going on in her country, and for that she was murdered," he said.
Dr Hejazi said that after the protest he left Iran for Britain, where he is resident, fearing arrest.
Earlier, the authorities used a combination of warnings, arrests and the threat of police action to drive large demonstrations off Tehran's street since Saturday (local time), with small gatherings dispersed with tear gas and baton charges.
- Reuters




This is it for now and it might take a while, very long while.

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As a leading cleric demanded today that dissenters be punished "strongly and with cruelty" and that some are "worthy of execution," Iran's increasingly isolated opposition leader effectively ended his role in street protests, saying he'll seek permits for future rallies.



http://iran.whyweprotest.net/newsfeed/2529-iranian-cleric-calls-cruel-punishment...

islam is in its' final days. extremist clerics like that have committed it to the toilet in todays world.

suck it up abu.
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Reply #207 - Jun 29th, 2009 at 8:29am
 
This is it folks. This is what happens when islam and muslims are in control.
We have seen exactly the same behaviour here and I have seen it in every musliom chatroom I have been in.

intolerant and crushing.


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IRAN has arrested eight local staff at the British embassy in Tehran on accusations of having a role in post-election riots.

Foreign Secretary David Miliband said last night Britain had protested to the Iranian authorities about the arrests, which he said occurred on Saturday.

Mr Miliband described the detentions as "harassment and intimidation of a kind that is quite unacceptable".

Iran has repeatedly accused Britain and the US of stoking the unrest that swept the country after the June 12 election that returned hardliner Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to power amid complaints it was rigged.

"Eight members of the local staff at the British embassy who had a considerable role in the recent riots have been arrested," the agency said.

Last week, Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki also said Iran might downgrade ties with Britain, after the two governments expelled diplomats in tit-for-tat moves.

Earlier yesterday, opponents of Mr Ahmadinejad were bracing for a purge. His defeated rival, Mir Hossein Mousavi, who came a distant second in a poll he insists was rigged by the regime, has continued to defy what he has called "huge pressures" to halt his campaign for a new vote.

Last week his communications with the outside world were severely restricted, his web page was taken down and his newspaper was closed and 25 of its employees were arrested.

Mr Mousavi inspired hundreds of thousands of Iranians to demand that the results of the June 12 election should be annulled. Yesterday, however, the regime's brutal crackdown, under which at least 17 demonstrators have been killed and about 3000 detained, appeared to be succeeding.

Observers said they believed that after his inauguration, due by early August, a vengeful Mr Ahmadinejad would oust anyone in government who had favoured the opposition or simply failed to support him.

"There will be a purge, no doubt about it," said Ali Ansari, director of the Iranian Institute at Scotland's St Andrews University.

"There are people in Tehran who think, now that the regime has won, they will be left alone. I can't tell you how far from the truth this is."

The purge may already have begun. Akbar Torkan, the Deputy Oil Minister and a rising star in the government, was sacked after writing sympathetically in an opposition newspaper.

Yesterday, Mr Mousavi rejected a panel set up to hold a partial vote recount. He is insisting on a new vote while another defeated candidate, Mehdi Karroubi, is demanding an independent panel to probe irregularities.

Their defiance flies in the face of the nation's top political arbitration body, the Expediency Council, which has urged all candidates to co-operate with the panel set up by the electoral watchdog, the Guardian Council.

But the streets of Tehran appeared quiet yesterday after the authorities warned they would suppress any further protests over the vote that triggered the worst unrest since the 1979 Islamic revolution.

The Guardian Council, an unelected body of 12 jurists and clerics, said at the weekend it would create a special committee of political figures and candidate representatives to recount 10 per cent of the ballots and draw up a report on the vote.

But Mr Karroubi, a reformist former parliament speaker who came a distant fourth, said in a letter to the Guardian Council that a partial recount was "not enough". He called for an independent panel to probe "all aspects of the election", in the letter published in his newspaper Etemad Melli.

Another defeated candidate, Mohsen Rezai, has agreed to be part of the panel if Mr Mousavi and Mr Karroubi also agree to nominate representatives to it.

But Mr Mousavi, who has spearheaded the massive public opposition to the vote, has demanded a rerun, undeterred by the crackdown on his supporters and an aide turning against him.

"Limiting the probe into complaints about electoral irregularities to recounting 10 per cent of the ballot boxes cannot attract people's trust and convince public opinion about the results," he said on his campaign website. "I insist again on cancelling the (results) as the most suitable way out of the problem."




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Reply #208 - Jun 29th, 2009 at 9:16am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28th, 2009 at 5:39pm:
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As a leading cleric demanded today that dissenters be punished "strongly and with cruelty" and that some are "worthy of execution," Iran's increasingly isolated opposition leader effectively ended his role in street protests, saying he'll seek permits for future rallies.



http://iran.whyweprotest.net/newsfeed/2529-iranian-cleric-calls-cruel-punishment...

islam is in its' final days. extremist clerics like that have committed it to the toilet in todays world.

suck it up abu.








"Oh sprint, those Shia in Iran [and those Sunni in Saudi Arabia], are not real moslems!
Real moslems [like we real moslems here in Australia] are tolerant, and peace loving, and we have many, many, Kuffar friends too!
Honest!"

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Sorry, i couldn't resist.



'.....Just like in muslim countries.'


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http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/15/out-of-context-fair-go-harmony-under-sharia/



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Reply #209 - Jun 30th, 2009 at 12:04am
 
Apparently the code when talking about the supreme leader is 'My Uncle Napoleon' - a term of ridicule.

'My Uncle Napoleon' is a highly successful Iranian TV series based on the novel of the same name.

The 'dear uncle' is an Iranian Alf Garnet who blames Iran's problems on the British...

Evidently Khamenei hasn't got the joke yet.

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