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Reply #120 - Jun 20^th, 2009 at 4:24pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20^th, 2009 at 3:21pm:

The tide of discontent is coming from the people of iran.

They had the (false) promise of a democratic election, so they could live their lives freely.
As do secular democracies.

islam is dying.

There's certainly a tide of discontent rising in the Middle East against Islamism and Theocratic dictatorships.

As Christopher Hitchens commented this week :

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Most important of all, perhaps, Iranian-sponsored Hezbollah was convincingly and unexpectedly defeated last week in Lebanon after an open and vigorous election, the results of which were not challenged by any party. And, from all I hear, if the Palestinians were to vote again this year—as they were at one point supposed to do—it would be highly improbable that Hamas would emerge the victor.

Yet somehow a senile and fanatical religious clique that has failed even to condition the vote in a country like Lebanon, where it has proxy and surrogate parties under arms, is able to reward itself by increasing its "majority" in a festeringly bankrupt state where it controls the media and enjoys a monopoly of violence.

http://www.slate.com/id/2220520/

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Reply #121 - Jun 20^th, 2009 at 7:27pm

Oh, this has suddenly jumped up a level.

the head islamic religous leader has said the head islamic dictator is ok.
And if others don't agree they might get murdered.

He's an idiot, he could well get rolled by people power.
What if 20,000 march tomorrow ?

your false dictatorship will be shown for what an injustice it is.
islam is buggered up the arse.

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Happy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 559	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #122 - Jun 20^th, 2009 at 8:02pm Now all depends on army, or special forces, or riot police that will be asked to kill. Tienanman square comes to mind.
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Reply #124 - Jun 20^th, 2009 at 11:04pm

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"This is challenging democracy and election itself. I want every side to put an end to this method. If they don't then the responsibility of its consequences, the riots should be shouldered by those who do not put an end to it."

Typical of a psychopath... Blame the victims for their own murder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8110582.stm

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Reply #125 - Jun 21^st, 2009 at 2:54pm

here is iran's diplomacy.

People of iran, use people power and overthrow the oppresssive regime.
Be free like the west, vote and speak as you wish.
The "leaders" of iran are dictators, outmoded hundreds of years ago and empty puppets.
they don't have the peoples best wishes at heart, so don't have popular support.

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.............UK officials had summoned Iran's ambassador, Rasul Movaheddian, to the Foreign Office to lodge a protest.

But they were told he was unavailable and Iran sent its charge d'affairs, a more junior official, in his place.

The row was sparked by Ayatollah Khamenei saying the UK was the "most evil" of Western governments.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8109303.stm

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Reply #126 - Jun 21^st, 2009 at 3:42pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 21^st, 2009 at 2:54pm:

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.............UK officials had summoned Iran's ambassador, Rasul Movaheddian, to the Foreign Office to lodge a protest.

But they were told he was unavailable and Iran sent its charge d'affairs, a more junior official, in his place.

The row was sparked by Ayatollah Khamenei saying the UK was the "most evil" of Western governments.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8109303.stm

Assuming the ambassador didn't call in sick that day, this is either an example of the Iranian Ambassador's sense of self respect that he refused to be associated with so blatant a lie (a reason in itself to call in sick) or further proof of the cringing cowardice of the mullahs, these great 'men of god', to shrink on the world stage from their own contemptible deceit.

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Reply #127 - Jun 21^st, 2009 at 6:57pm

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Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, speaking at Tehran University, called the election an "absolute victory" and said that it would be hard to rig an 11 million difference in votes:

"If the difference was 100,000 or 500,000 or 1 million, well, one may say fraud could have happened. But how can one rig 11 million votes?"
And hinted that the protesters would suffer if they continued protesting the election results:

"It must be determined at the ballot box what the people want and what they don't want, not in the streets," he said. "I call on all to put an end to this method. ... If they don't, they will be held responsible for the chaos and the consequences."

And warned that the protests wouldn't make a difference:

"Some may imagine that street action will create political leverage against the system and force the authorities to give in to threats. No, this is wrong,"

He also made a very important point that I've been making (and Obama also made) that Mousavi was an establishment candidate and therefore there would be no difference in policy from Ahmadinejad since it's the Supreme Leader and the Council that are in control of the country:

He stressed that the four candidates were part of the country's Islamic system and reminded listeners that Mousavi was prime minister of Iran when Khamenei was president in the 1980s.

"All of them belong to the system. It was a competition within the ruling system"

And of course the people of Iran realize this but I suppose they wanted their voice to be heard and are upset that they are being ignored. I think it's probably good for them to be reminded that they only get what their leaders give them, their system isn't a true democracy (or anything close to it). Maybe this is what they need to push them to overthrow their oppressors (though, I doubt it).

http://blog.beliefnet.com/reformedchicksblabbing/2009/06/irans-supreme-leader-ba...

We're calling you bluff.
All of your arguments are classic fallacies.
Your promises are oppression and violence.
You have lost.

Muslims the world over are watching in fascination.
abu is silent.

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Reply #128 - Jun 21^st, 2009 at 8:21pm

I think the depth of the people's anger, not just with Ahmadinejad but also with the regime itself, has alarmed and probably overwhelmed even Mousavi. This is a nation with numerous internal problems not the least of which is a massive drug use crisis. Not unlike the old mullahs, the Islamic Republic is rotting from the inside out.

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Reply #130 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 8:45am

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.......A new analysis of voting figures in Iran's disputed presidential election found "irregularities" in the turnout and "highly implausible" swings to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Independent British think tank Chatham House found that in two conservative provinces, Mazandaran and Yazd, the turnout was more than 100 per cent -- a trend it said was "problematic", although admittedly not unprecedented in Iran.

The analysis of interior ministry figures, published on Sunday, also found that overall there was a 50.9 per cent swing to Ahmadinejad, with official results suggesting he won the support of 47.5 per cent of those who had backed reformist candidates in the previous election in 2005.

"This, more than any other result, is highly implausible and has been the subject of much debate in Iran," the study said............

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http://www.smh.com.au/world/highly-implausible-swings-to-president-ahmadinejad-s...

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41825 Gender:	Re: Ahmadinejad's rival tells it like it is ........ Reply #132 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 11:30am grendel - thanks for that I did not know that. no wonder the population demand a change. fancy being chained to a system that is oppressive AND archaic with no chance of chance of change.
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Reply #133 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 11:34am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 11:30am:

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no wonder the population demand a change.
fancy being chained to a system that is oppressive AND archaic with no chance of chance of change.

Christian religion had some unacceptable this days treatment of disobedience, and they should and looks that some want to move forward.

Hope it is true, that could mean some changes to their supremacy aspirations.

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Reply #134 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 12:42pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 11:24am:

Re the candidates.... they are selected... so you can only vote for those already accepted by the ayatollah anyway.

Yes, funny how political events, like a spring tide, can sweep a politician from his safe ground into uncharted water. Mousavi is no Walesa or Havel or even a Gorbachev... but he may yet have no choice.

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