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Reply #105 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 9:54am
 

grendel - ok, am disappointed now.
thanks for the info.
Though I did not like it, it seems to have more than a bit of truth to it.

bugger, darned ideological oppressive regimes.
They are SO hard to shake off.
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Reply #106 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:10am
 

hahahha, how do you count 40,000,000 votes within 2 hours ??



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................Instead the authorities acted as though they were stealing the vote - announcing a full count of 40 million ballots two hours after polls closed, with a suspicious uniformity in Mr Ahmadinejad's large majority across the country.................

.............But even if the situation leads to a change of president, the West should not expect any immediate transformation of Iran.
Mr Mousavi, an activist in the 1979 hostage-taking at the US embassy and later a prime minister as the regime liquidated its opposition, is part of the system and a declared supporter of nuclear capability.
A long rapprochement lies ahead, but the youth of Iran's population and its growing use of new forms of communication will steadily undermine the likes of Mr Ahmadinejad...........

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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/editorial/irans-ayatollahs-defeat-themselves-20090...

it IS an interesting election.
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Reply #107 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:50am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:10am:
hahahha, how do you count 40,000,000 votes within 2 hours ??

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................Instead the authorities acted as though they were stealing the vote - announcing a full count of 40 million ballots two hours after polls closed, with a suspicious uniformity in Mr Ahmadinejad's large majority across the country.................

.............But even if the situation leads to a change of president, the West should not expect any immediate transformation of Iran.
Mr Mousavi, an activist in the 1979 hostage-taking at the US embassy and later a prime minister as the regime liquidated its opposition, is part of the system and a declared supporter of nuclear capability.
A long rapprochement lies ahead, but the youth of Iran's population and its growing use of new forms of communication will steadily undermine the likes of Mr Ahmadinejad...........

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it IS an interesting election.

And the hits just keep on coming.
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Reply #108 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 1:34pm
 

the mainly muslim led human rights council at the UN have made NO comments on the muslim Ahmadinejad.

typical of muslims to do that.
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Reply #109 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 2:18pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:10am:
hahahha, how do you count 40,000,000 votes within 2 hours ??

Divine revelation?
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Reply #110 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 3:00pm
 
Showdown at the OK Mosque.

Well, here we are... At the heart of the old Revolution itself. The big guy's gonna be there with his boys.

What's he gonna ask of the Mousavi gang?  'Yer either with us or yer agin us'.

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Khamenei is not inviting them to prayers to demonstrate their piety; he's demanding a symbolic show of loyalty to the Islamic Republic itself, and its founding principle of giving ultimate political authority to its clerical Supreme Leader.


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1905703,00.html

If this doesn't wind down soon after this Friday, the die may be cast for hundreds of thousands of Iranians... The regime may consider them enemies of the Islamic Republic.

If that becomes true, then this to the new Iranian patriots from Thomas Paine...

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These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated.

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Reply #111 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 3:09pm
 


Good words helian.
there could well be a big price to pay for democracy in iran.
perhaps, a bigger price will be demanded later if it is not offered now.
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Reply #112 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 10:53pm
 
There’s nothing like hubris to incur the wrath of nemesis.

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The country's Supreme Leader, Ayatullah Ali Khamenei, insisted there had been no fraud in [last Friday’s] election result, describing President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election win as "definitive." He added that the "Islamic establishment would never manipulate votes and commit treason.


The Supreme Leader may have confirmed his own indictment and hopefully that of the regime’s as well.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1905703,00.html
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Reply #113 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 1:13pm
 
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/19/2603527.htm?section=justin

AYATOLLAH CALLS FOR CALM IN IRAN

By Middle East correspondent Anne Barker and wires
Posted Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:19pm AEST
Updated Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:09pm AEST


Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has urged Iranians to unite behind hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
In a sermon at Friday prayers, the Ayatollah sternly warned opposition supporters to stop their street protests against last week's election result.
Tens of thousands of Iranians streamed into Tehran's University to hear the Ayatollah address the nation for the first time since last weeks disputed election.
The country's Supreme Leader urged the nation to accept the result and unite behind Mr Ahmadinejad who was declared the election winner.
Many in the crowd held posters of the Ayatollah and carried placards with anti-western slogans.
Supporters of the defeated candidate, Mir Hossein Mousavi, have so far ignored calls for calm, holding daily rallies in defiance of an official ban.
Iran's Guardian Council has agreed to meet the three defeated candidates tomorrow.
Iran's Supreme Leader denied any possibility that the election had been rigged.
"If there is any bloodshed, leaders of the protests will be held directly responsible," Ayatollah Khamenei declared.
"The result of the election comes from the ballot box, not from the street. Today the Iranian nation needs calm."
Foreign 'interference'
He said any election complaints should be raised through legal channels.
"I will not succumb to illegal innovation," he said.
Mr Mousavi has called for annulment of the election result, which showed Mr Ahmadinejad the winner with nearly 63 per cent of the vote to 34 per cent for his closest challenger.
The Ayatollah said the enemies of Iran, the world's fifth biggest oil exporter, were targeting the legitimacy of the Islamic establishment by disputing the outcome of the election.He attacked what he called interference by foreign powers which had questioned the result of the election.
"American officials' remarks about human rights and limitations on people are not acceptable because they have no idea about human rights after what they have done in Afghanistan and Iraq and other parts of the world. We do not need advice on human rights from them," he said.
Many European countries and international human rights organisations have criticised the election and its aftermath, but US President Barack Obama's administration has muted its comments to keep the door ajar for possible dialogue.
Iranian state media have reported seven or eight people killed in protests since the election results were published on June 13.
Scores of reformists have been arrested and authorities have cracked down on both foreign and domestic media.
- ABC/Reuters



Doesn’t look good, especially highlighted bit, it looks like preparation for green light for the army.
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Reply #114 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 1:18pm
 
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/20/2603667.htm?section=justin

AYATOLLAH WARNS IRAN PROTESTERS OF CRACKDOWN
By Middle East correspondent Anne Barker and wires
Posted 5 hours 40 minutes ago
Updated 5 hours 20 minutes ago

Iran's supreme ruler, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has effectively banned all further protests against last week's presidential election results and has warned those who disobey will face serious consequences.
Addressing a crowd of tens of thousands of worshippers at a mosque at Tehran University, he warned opposition supporters not to mount any more protests, even peaceful ones.
He said if they did, they would be responsible for any bloodshed.
"I want to tell everyone these things must finish. These street actions are being done to put pressure on leaders but we will not bow in front of them," he said.
"Those politicians who somehow have influence on people should be very careful about their behaviour if they act in an extremist manner.
"This extremism will reach a sensitive level which they will not be able to contain. They will be responsible for the blood, violence and chaos."
He said terrorists who could assassinate the militia or the police might hide among the demonstrators.
The warning effectively gives free rein to Iran's security forces, including the widely feared Basij militia, to take whatever action necessary against those protesters who disobey.
In the wake of his speech, there were reports of truckloads of security forces heading onto Tehran's streets.
The supreme ruler has also denied any chance the election was rigged and upheld President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the rightful winner.
"The people have chosen whom they wanted," he said.
"I see some people more suitable for serving the country than others but the people made their choice," he said to cheers from tens of thousands of faithful, who included Mr Ahmadinejad.
Iran's Guardian Council will soon meet all failed presidential candidates, but there is now no chance they will succeed in overturning the election result.
After the sermon, US President Barack Obama warned Iran that the "world is watching" its actions.
"I'm very concerned based on some of the tenor and tone of the statements that have been made that the government of Iran recognise that the world is watching," he said.
"And how they approach and deal with people who are - through peaceful means - trying to be heard, will send a pretty clear signal to the international community about what Iran is and is not."
Supporters of runner-up Mir Hossein Mousavi have held six days of protests since Mr Ahmadinejad was declared the winner of the Iranian election.
State media have reported seven or eight people killed in the protests. Scores of reformists have been arrested and authorities have cracked down on foreign and domestic media.
Hours after the Ayatollah's speech, another beaten candidate - pro-reform cleric Mehdi Karoubi - called for the election result to be cancelled, as Mr Mousavi has done previously.
In another act of defiance after nightfall, Mr Mousavi's backers took to Tehran rooftops to shout Allahu Akbar (God is greatest), an echo of tactics in the 1979 Islamic revolution.
- ABC/Reuters/AFP




Crackdown is ready to start
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Reply #115 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 2:52pm
 
Happy wrote on Jun 20th, 2009 at 1:18pm:
Crackdown is ready to start

Es muss sein.


It must be.
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Reply #116 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 3:10pm
 
The Iranians have witnessed just how far they can go with people power, the revolution showed them that.

The fact that so many are willing to put themselves on the front line of showing public dissent has the authorities, understandably worried.

Just how it plays out will be crucial for the aspirations of the ones hoping to see a more moderate regime for Iran.

Whether a firm, and bloody hand will be enough to suppress this tide of discontent will be played out over the coming days, and will be watched with interest by western powers hoping to see a regime change.
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Reply #117 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 3:18pm
 
Khamenei's accusing Britain of instigating the Iranian crisis lays bare the truth behind the facade of the pious theocrat. Far from being a 'man of god', he is a manipulator and a liar who craves power more than he loves and fears his god. He values nothing of justice and honour, only repression and the opportunity to act on his psychopathic instincts to commit murder in the name of a deity.

Ayatollah, Calling Britain Enemy No. 1, Taps Into Deep Distrust Rooted in History
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Reply #118 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 3:21pm
 

The tide of discontent is coming from the people of iran.

They had the (false) promise of a democratic election, so they could live their lives freely.
As do secular democracies.

islam is dying.
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Reply #119 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 3:23pm
 
ROTFLMAO
ya think?
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