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Reply #75 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:07am

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As for letting them into their country... Well, those Indians were British citizens... Price of empire.

There wasn't a large number of Indians in Britain at that time, and discounting the fact that those that were there should've been promptly kicked out, they should've left on their own accord if they had the slightest respect for their homeland and it's people. But they didn't, because they were parasites.
And the next filthy pig that entrudes upon my property with the intent of lying to me will be attacked with a barrage of fists.

Yes, displacing British citizens due to race... Not a good look while you're sitting around the camp fire planning out a new world order... And after Hitler had just done the same thing and worse... real bad look.

There were hundreds of thousands of ethnic Indians and Anglo-Indians living in India who held British passports and had every legal right to reside in Britain.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Indians want special treatment Reply #76 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:18am Quote: There were hundreds of thousands of ethnic Indians and Anglo-Indians living in India who held British passports and had every legal right to reside in Britain. Well does it not make their passports null and void when they are no longer part of the British Empire?
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Reply #77 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:39am

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There were hundreds of thousands of ethnic Indians and Anglo-Indians living in India who held British passports and had every legal right to reside in Britain.

Well does it not make their passports null and void when they are no longer part of the British Empire?

No. At least not for the first few decades after the end of the Raj. But I believe they changed the law in the mid 80s.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Indians want special treatment Reply #78 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:48am Quote: No. At least not for the first few decades after the end of the Raj. But I believe they changed the law in the mid 80s. Well how soft is that by the British? I suppose the rats all jumped off the sinking ship during that period then hey?
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Reply #79 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:52am

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No. At least not for the first few decades after the end of the Raj. But I believe they changed the law in the mid 80s.

Well how soft is that by the British?
I suppose the rats all jumped off the sinking ship during that period then hey?

Price of Empire.

Rats? A relevant term, given the ones who weren't wanted in India were the collaborators with the Imperialists... which included all Anglo-Indians and thousands of ethnic Indians.

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Reply #80 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 1:09am

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Price of Empire.

Rats? A relevant term, given the ones who weren't wanted in India were the collaborators with the Imperialists... which included all Anglo-Indians and thousands of ethnic Indians.

So those who immigrated to Britain were all collaborators. Is that what you're saying? I'm sure I could prove you very wrong there.

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Reply #81 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 9:47am

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 1:09am:

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Price of Empire.

Rats? A relevant term, given the ones who weren't wanted in India were the collaborators with the Imperialists... which included all Anglo-Indians and thousands of ethnic Indians.

So those who immigrated to Britain were all collaborators. Is that what you're saying? I'm sure I could prove you very wrong there.

All Anglo-Indians had a right to British citizenship by birth. Thousands of ethnic Indians were granted British citizenship during the Raj. Those were the ones who got all the jobs as public servants... a respected vocation then and now in India. After independence, Indians wanted to exhibit their national pride and life for those who served the old masters got a lot harder, which is understandable given it was they who got preference over ordinary Indians for jobs and status in whatever industry the British had influence. The ones who could get out easy, got out fast. Not because they hated India necessarily but because their prospects were narrowing fast.

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Reply #82 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 10:50am

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All Anglo-Indians had a right to British citizenship by birth.

You see? Most other nations would see that right as being null and void after independence. I certainly would.

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After independence, Indians wanted to exhibit their national pride and life for those who served the old masters got a lot harder, which is understandable given it was they who got preference over ordinary Indians for jobs and status in whatever industry the British had influence. The ones who could get out easy, got out fast. Not because they hated India necessarily but because their prospects were narrowing fast.

Just like I said, rats jumping off the sinking ship.
The pea hearts should've stayed to honour what they were supposebly fighting for. But the sad truth is, that the nature of the beast is not very conducive to a successful society.

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Reply #83 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 11:36am

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 10:50am:

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All Anglo-Indians had a right to British citizenship by birth.

You see? Most other nations would see that right as being null and void after independence. I certainly would.

Having a parent as a British citizen (and in many cases ethnically British), they inherited their citizenship from their mother or (more usually) their father.

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 10:50am:

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After independence, Indians wanted to exhibit their national pride and life for those who served the old masters got a lot harder, which is understandable given it was they who got preference over ordinary Indians for jobs and status in whatever industry the British had influence. The ones who could get out easy, got out fast. Not because they hated India necessarily but because their prospects were narrowing fast.

Just like I said, rats jumping off the sinking ship.
The pea hearts should've stayed to honour what they were supposebly fighting for. But the sad truth is, that the nature of the beast is not very conducive to a successful society.

The ones who left were not fighting for independence. They were doing well with the way things were... They collaborated with the British... Why would they want the British gone?

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Reply #84 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 1:46pm

There's a difference between "collaborating" and "working with".
Surprise surprise, those who worked with the British tended to do better.
I don't believe that Indians deserved inherited citizenship in any way shape or form after independence. And that's nothing to do with race.
The same would apply to New Zealanders and Australia.
The same would apply to the Americans who gained independence from the British.

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Reply #85 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 2:41pm

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 1:46pm:

There's a difference between "collaborating" and "working with".
Surprise surprise, those who worked with the British tended to do better.
I don't believe that Indians deserved inherited citizenship in any way shape or form after independence. And that's nothing to do with race.
The same would apply to New Zealanders and Australia.
The same would apply to the Americans who gained independence from the British.

'Working with' is a synonym of collaborating - although a euphemistic one. If you work with a regime, you collaborate with it.

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 1:46pm:

I don't believe that Indians deserved inherited citizenship in any way shape or form after independence. And that's nothing to do with race.

Well, that's what happened. Probably the British didn't want to get into a stouch with the Nehru Government over what to do with all the collaborators who were seen as unpatriotic. Given the British created them and encouraged them by giving them money, status and power to remain loyal to the crown, I guess they didn't have much choice but to take them on.

You'll probably find that many British loyalists left the American colonies for Britain after the revolution.

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Reply #86 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 5:13pm

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Given the British created them and encouraged them by giving them money, status and power to remain loyal to the crown, I guess they didn't have much choice but to take them on.

Ah yes, the Bristish invented the caste system and thus was born one of the most disciminatory peoples on the face of the earth.

As a matter of fact, the Indians that we have here often have servants back home. They want to be treated better than the average Australian, not the same.

"Discrimination based on caste is prevalent mainly in parts of Asia (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Japan) and Africa. UNICEF estimates that discrimination based on caste affects 250 million people worldwide."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste

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Reply #87 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 5:18pm

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 5:13pm:

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Given the British created them and encouraged them by giving them money, status and power to remain loyal to the crown, I guess they didn't have much choice but to take them on.

Ah yes, the Bristish invented the caste system and thus was born one of the most disciminatory peoples on the face of the earth.

No, the British created a class of people who were loyal to the crown to run the country in the name of the crown. They discouraged them from identifying with Indians. Divide and rule.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Indians want special treatment Reply #88 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 5:51pm Seems to me that they were already very divided. And they still are.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Indians want special treatment Reply #89 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 5:59pm Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 5:51pm: Seems to me that they were already very divided. And they still are. True. It was more like exploit the division and rule.
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