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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41859 Gender:	Giant feral pig Jun 1^st, 2009 at 10:33am Look at the size of that !!!!!!!!!! I would not like to meet that thing anywhere 220 kgs they reckon, i'ld say at least that. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25567372-953,00.html
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Giant feral pig Reply #1 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 12:05pm How would you kill an animal that size humanely? It would be scary to confront. This is another pig photo I posted here ages ago. The pig in this photo apparently had been living off canola crops.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Giant feral pig Reply #2 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 3:23pm Wow! That's big enough to feed an entire country of starving muslims.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41859 Gender:	Re: Giant feral pig Reply #3 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 3:30pm maybe we can export them live, release them in mosques ??? I saw some razorbacks out west many years ago. One of the ugliest scariest creatures I have seen, vying with stonefish !!!!!!!
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The Warrigal Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84	Re: Giant feral pig Reply #4 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 6:58pm PIGZILLA!!! Man would I like to bag one that big! As regards the question of how one would humanely kill an animal of that size, if you are using "enough gun," or a suitable bow and broadhead arrow as the case may be, then a shot to the vitals should do the job quickly.
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Reply #5 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 7:42pm

It would be an interesting challenge for a junk yard chefs to cook it whole. I reckon it should be brined for 1 year and smoked for 2 in she-oak sawdust smoke. The casurina of course should be from mountain ridges and not from river plains. The smokehouse should be designed just for the pig. And no nitrates in the brine only sea salt, brown sugar and Frigate OP Rum.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41859 Gender:	Re: Giant feral pig Reply #6 - Jun 1^st, 2009 at 8:54pm Tallow - darn, invite me to your next BBQ, I'll bring the champagne !!!!!!
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Reply #7 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 9:55am

I remember the really big one that the kid is posing with was surrounded by a fair bit of contoversy. Apparently it was basically a tame pig that the owner was paid by the father of the good-ol-boy son to shoot with the .44 Magnum. So I hope that they at least backed up the gutless "hunting" effort by putting the porker to some good use.

Yes Warrigal, there are any number of cartridge or bow/arrow combinations ALONG with proper shot placement that would do the job. I've only ever seen a pig that I reckon appoaches the size of the 2nd pig once. It was probably 25 years ago, early morning and about 600+ metres of the road out near Dirranbandi. At first we all thought it was a cow knee deep in mud until we glassed it. And although we had rifles capable of getting there none were of a decent enough caliber to give a reasonable chance of a clean kill. The heaviest rifle we had with us was a .243 with 80-90grain bullets. The 30/30 too short a range rifle, shooting would have been irresponsible. Never seen another pig of mythological proportions until the above photo.

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Reply #8 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 11:28am

Hi Locutious.

I never did hear the details about the pig "hunt" you describe.

A .44 Magnum in very expert hands would serve although the circumstances of THIS case sound highly unethical.

Pigs of this size are not quite as exceptional as people have been led to belive.

In 1994 a mate of mine took a porker in this weight division.

A nice one shot kill with a .308 cal Remington from a tad under 200 metres.

Shot placement is critical and not in dispute but if you fail to use an adequate arm for the job then the kill will not be cleanly made.

Game all the way up to African elephant have been and continue to be taken humanely even with bows.

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oceanz Gold Member Offline Auzgurl.. Posts: 3531 Gender:	Re: Giant feral pig Reply #9 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 12:10pm Yes Warrigal ..I was going to suggest a 303 or even a 250..Remington is a good rifle. As for shooting humanely, possible if the animal is not charging you, but if it is it will get nasty..Ive been on pig hunts and seen a few big boars..but nothing like these 2.
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Reply #10 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 4:42pm

Charging animals are not really that much of a problem but three things need to be inplace.

Adequate cartridge.

Know the kill zones from any angle.

Confidence in yourself and the first two points.

Yes Warrigal, it's all about adequate and ethical matching of cartridge and skill to game. I'm sure that under perfect circumstances that a .22 rimfire will dispatch nearly any thing on earth. But really it is not ethical to use it on anything bigger than a fox, and even a fox is at the very upper limit as far as I'm concerned. That's why we never took a shot at that pig that day, I have every confidence that we could have hit it, but the rick factor of wounding it was too great. And it scarpered into thick lignum, and I wasn't going after it without a coach gun. Even then......

I'd hunt anything in Australia with a .308 including buffalo, but it is not a Buffalo stopper. Even the .338 Win Mag is a bit light on. To stop a charger the guides use as a standard a .375 Ruger or .375 Holland & Holland.

I'm actually looking at a .338 Federal as an option for a next rifle. I am very impressed with the ballistics of this cartridge. Based on the .308 necked to .338.

With a .243, 7mm/08, .308 and .338, just need to purchase the same brass. Even like the idea of the Australian wildcat round the .25/08. Makes for an interesting and fine shooting family of cartridges.

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Reply #11 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 4:54pm

Charging animals are not really that much of a problem but three things need to be inplace.

I must clarify that I say this without ever having faced charging dangerous game. And many of the animals that would fall into this category I have neither means or inclination to hunt even if I had the means.

I would shoot anything out of neccessity, but few things out of want.

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Reply #12 - Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 8:19pm

When I was young and immortal we used to hunt wild boars with sticks and axes. The trick is to make the pig to go where you want it to be, which is not hard considering the charging nature of the animal and the bigger they are the easier it is due to inertia of the mass.
The skill required is to be able to annoy the pig and swift feet.
Make your sticks as sharp as lances and dig them into ground at right height and angle. Incite your pig to charge you and jump over it just before the sticks. Finish it off with single blow by the butt of your axe at ~90 degrees angle slightly in front of it's ears.

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Reply #13 - Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 9:35am

oceanz wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 12:10pm:

Yes Warrigal ..I was going to suggest a 303 or even a 250..Remington is a good rifle.

As for shooting humanely, possible if the animal is not charging you, but if it is it will get nasty..Ive been on pig hunts and seen a few big boars..but nothing like these 2.

Yes the .303 is certainly adequate medicine for any pig out there, again bullet placement and proper bullet contruction is important. I know I harp on about this but it is vital for clean kills.

Oceans, are you talking about the 250 Savage cartridge in a Remington rifle which is certainly up to the job for pigs or the Remington cartridge 22-250. Which even though I have seen a lot of pigs killed with this cartridge, I think is actually a little light for pigs. Better for medium sized soft skin game such as roos. The blokes I used to hunt with were all extremely good shots but also knew the limitations of different cartridge and bullet combinations.

I used to really dislike the .243 as nearly everyone that was a shooter used to own one and I got sick of hearing about the cartridge but down the track realized that it is an excellent all round cartridge for Australian game except for the very biggest deer and cattle animals. The same could be said for the 25/06. The larger animals require a .30 caliber round as a minimum.

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Reply #14 - Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 9:37am

tallowood wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 8:19pm:

When I was young and immortal we used to hunt wild boars with sticks and axes. The trick is to make the pig to go where you want it to be, which is not hard considering the charging nature of the animal and the bigger they are the easier it is due to inertia of the mass.
The skill required is to be able to annoy the pig and swift feet.
Make your sticks as sharp as lances and dig them into ground at right height and angle. Incite your pig to charge you and jump over it just before the sticks. Finish it off with single blow by the butt of your axe at ~90 degrees angle slightly in front of it's ears.

Tallow, that sounds positively medieval. I imagine a climbible tree located nearby would have been an essential part of any plan.

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