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Reply #90 - Apr 20th, 2010 at 9:47pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 4:40pm:
Multiculturalism has a very good chance of succeeding among peope who share a civilisation, say Europeans. It is not so good when various civilisations are trying to mix because only western civilisation has an inclination for multiculturalism.




Look at that jacket - multiculturalism at work.



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Reply #91 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 8:13am
 
Multiculturalism as farce:


Police say they will not drop assault charges against a Turkish man who claims he was performing a traditional dance rather than hitting, kicking and strangling his wife.

Allaetin Can made news around the world when he was charged with assault after a passerby alerted police to what appeared to be a violent fracas with his wife, Elmas.

Can claims he and his wife were performing a vigorous traditional Turkish dance, called kolbasti, outside their kebab shop after a particularly profitable lunch shift.
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The kolbasti dance involves animated moves set to fast-paced Turkish beats, and includes mimicry of hitting, kicking and headlocks.

The case will be heard at Hawera District Court on August 17.





Shoulda done the hakka...

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Reply #92 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 8:39am
 
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 4:40pm:
Multiculturalism is not an idea shared by non-whites in non-white countries. Asia and AFrica are riven by race hatred. Arabs have a frustrated superiority complex. The Jpanese o not belive in multiculturalism for some reason...

Multiculturalim is white hospitality. ANd it is often abused by the guests. Not always, but often. A 1/16 'aborigine' will demand privileges for herself on the basis of 'race'. Muslims, the latest group to revolt against it, demand that others give them speacial treatment.

Multiculturalism has a very good chance of succeeding among peope who share a civilisation, say Europeans. It is not so good when various civilisations are trying to mix because only western civilisation has an inclination for multiculturalism.



You have got to be kidding. You haven't been out much, have you? There is multiculturalism everywhere.

There are at least 1500 Italian restaurants in Tokyo alone. Apart from that there is a considerable Americn youth culture - well just about everywhere.  

Singapore is probably the most multicultural city in the world.

When I was in Guinea (Conakry), I used to eat out at a Chinese restaurant because it reminded me of home (Australia).

Many parts of Africa are extremely multicultural - for example Indians, South Africans and Chinese in Tanzania.

In Peru, there is a considerable Japanese multicultural element.   In Bolivia, there is a very active Caledonian society founded by my great great grandfather.

The United Arab Emirates, though predominantly Muslim, have considerable numbers of Europeans, and there are many bars and nightclubs.

Your armchair mythology doesn't ring true.
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Reply #93 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 8:24am
 
I'd say that Soren has overlooked a huge swath of human history let alone European history. Too bad there's no such reality as a 1/16 aborigine outside of a legal construct. His "white" construct is also equally invalid.

I would opine that there wouldn't be hardly enough 1/16 th's asking for special treatment for Soren to break out into a sweat over. He'd be better off breaking into a sweat about other groups like pensioners, invalids, single mothers etc if he's that way inclined.

As to selected stories about Turks, or what not, Soren, I suppose you also overlooked our daily newspapers for the boisterous goings on here that do not involve any "guest" minorities. 

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Reply #94 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 8:32am
 
muso wrote on Aug 10th, 2010 at 8:39am:
Soren wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 4:40pm:
Multiculturalism is not an idea shared by non-whites in non-white countries. Asia and AFrica are riven by race hatred. Arabs have a frustrated superiority complex. The Jpanese o not belive in multiculturalism for some reason...

Multiculturalim is white hospitality. ANd it is often abused by the guests. Not always, but often. A 1/16 'aborigine' will demand privileges for herself on the basis of 'race'. Muslims, the latest group to revolt against it, demand that others give them speacial treatment.

Multiculturalism has a very good chance of succeeding among peope who share a civilisation, say Europeans. It is not so good when various civilisations are trying to mix because only western civilisation has an inclination for multiculturalism.



You have got to be kidding. You haven't been out much, have you? There is multiculturalism everywhere.

There are at least 1500 Italian restaurants in Tokyo alone. Apart from that there is a considerable Americn youth culture - well just about everywhere.  

Singapore is probably the most multicultural city in the world.

When I was in Guinea (Conakry), I used to eat out at a Chinese restaurant because it reminded me of home (Australia).

Many parts of Africa are extremely multicultural - for example Indians, South Africans and Chinese in Tanzania.

In Peru, there is a considerable Japanese multicultural element.   In Bolivia, there is a very active Caledonian society founded by my great great grandfather.

The United Arab Emirates, though predominantly Muslim, have considerable numbers of Europeans, and there are many bars and nightclubs.

Your armchair mythology doesn't ring true.



This is lovely. The power of renaming is indeed great.  Let's therefore rename the Bristish Empire and call it the British Multicultural Embrace. Europe didn't so much colonise the rest of the world but brought it multiculturalism.
Blacks were taken to the Americas with future cajun restaurants in mind. The British came to AUstralia to bring the joys of porrige and multiculturalism to the uncomprehending and dreadfully monocultural prinmitives.

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Reply #95 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:20am
 
Cajun food comes from the old French colonies which were purchased by the fledgling US of A for a bargain basement price from Napolean. It had some other influences of course, but largely French.

Cajun is just the homestyle version of Creole cooking.

I must have missed the bit about the Italian colonisation of Japan though. I bow to your superior knowledge, Soren san.

I don't get your bit about European or British influences not being muticultural. Of course they are.
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Reply #96 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:30am
 
Nothing wrong with having many different races and cultures in a scoiety, but the numbers need to be within reason.  Once the numbers of any one group grow, they forget their place.  'Other' cultures would do well to remember that they are guests, and behave accordingly.
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Reply #97 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:53am
 
muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:20am:
Cajun food comes from the old French colonies which were purchased by the fledgling US of A for a bargain basement price from Napolean. It had some other influences of course, but largely French.

Cajun is just the homestyle version of Creole cooking.

I must have missed the bit about the Italian colonisation of Japan though. I bow to your superior knowledge, Soren san.

I don't get your bit about European or British influences not being muticultural. Of course they are.


Oh, joy.  Everything is multiculturalism then.

Not wanting multiculturalism is just a matter of having a delicate digestive system. Antacid all 'tround for world peace!! Yeah!
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Reply #98 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:00am
 
Ziggy wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 8:24am:
I'd say that Soren has overlooked a huge swath of human history let alone European history. Too bad there's no such reality as a 1/16 aborigine outside of a legal construct. His "white" construct is also equally invalid.


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Give us some examples, pal, don't be all mysterious.



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Reply #99 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:04am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:00am:
Ziggy wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 8:24am:
I'd say that Soren has overlooked a huge swath of human history let alone European history. Too bad there's no such reality as a 1/16 aborigine outside of a legal construct. His "white" construct is also equally invalid.


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Give us some examples, pal, don't be all mysterious.






It's just ziggy on his 'there's no such thing as race' horse again.
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Reply #100 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:14am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:53am:
muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:20am:
Cajun food comes from the old French colonies which were purchased by the fledgling US of A for a bargain basement price from Napolean. It had some other influences of course, but largely French.

Cajun is just the homestyle version of Creole cooking.

I must have missed the bit about the Italian colonisation of Japan though. I bow to your superior knowledge, Soren san.

I don't get your bit about European or British influences not being muticultural. Of course they are.


Oh, joy.  Everything is multiculturalism then.

Not wanting multiculturalism is just a matter of having a delicate digestive system. Antacid all 'tround for world peace!! Yeah!



How do you define multiculturalism? I just understand it to mean cultural diversity, particularly as applied to food, music, dance and other cultural matters.

So for example, the celebration of the Chinese New Year (dragon dances, rowing etc)  and drinking green beer on St Paddy's day would both be examples of multiculturalism.

I actually went to a multicultural fair a couple of weeks ago and they had Morris dancers.
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Reply #101 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 12:26pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:14am:
How do you define multiculturalism?


Amir Rehman, 18, shouted racial abuse as 51-year-old Ronald O’Connor walked to a shop for a loaf of bread, near the gates of Lister Park, Manning-ham, last December.

Leeds Crown Court was told Rehman shouted out: “Manningham belongs to Muslims. We don’t want whites. We rule Bradford. We are going to get you out.”

His frightened victim, Ronald O’Connor, tried to get in the shop, but Rehman ran up and stabbed him twice in the upper arm with a four to five-inch bladed knife.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4555469.Teenager_gets_five_years_for_...
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Reply #102 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:13pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:00am:
Ziggy wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 8:24am:
I'd say that Soren has overlooked a huge swath of human history let alone European history. Too bad there's no such reality as a 1/16 aborigine outside of a legal construct. His "white" construct is also equally invalid.


Cheesy



Give us some examples, pal, don't be all mysterious.





Give you examples of what, pal? If you know the slightest about genetics, it doesn't carve up into fractions. And at a genetic level race does not exist. You will find that mainstream science adheres to this view. However, there are those on the fringe that don't subscrib but their argurments have been shot down time and time again.

As to you missing  a huge swath of human history in the context of your ill-informed commentary , you're overlooking Asia and the Middle East, for example. Civilisation and cosmopolitan settlements were there long before  North Western Europe, from where you take your point of departure Soren, got wind of it all.

In fact, Soren, do you use soap? Guess where that came from? Dear me, the Muslims in the Middle East. The Crusaders were on the nose.  Roll Eyes

Soren, you point to some Turkish violence as if an odd example like that distinguishes something, it doesn't. Really, are you going to expect anyone to not be aware that murder, rape, robbery, child molestation ,fraud, domestic violence and alcoholism  etc are present in the West?  
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Reply #103 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:30pm
 
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And at a genetic level race does not exist.




So the shared characteristics of a race, like the black skin of a zulu, or the slitty eyes of a japanese don't really exist?


geez....I could have sworn I saw them with my very own eyes....
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Reply #104 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 12:26pm:
muso wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:14am:
How do you define multiculturalism?


Amir Rehman, 18, shouted racial abuse as 51-year-old Ronald O’Connor walked to a shop for a loaf of bread, near the gates of Lister Park, Manning-ham, last December.

Leeds Crown Court was told Rehman shouted out: “Manningham belongs to Muslims. We don’t want whites. We rule Bradford. We are going to get you out.”

His frightened victim, Ronald O’Connor, tried to get in the shop, but Rehman ran up and stabbed him twice in the upper arm with a four to five-inch bladed knife.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4555469.Teenager_gets_five_years_for_...



And never was there an Englishman who never uttered or did similar. So what? There are fools like that 18 yo in all groups but they hardly speak for everyone. I'd have to ask Soren, can you see that your behaviour on this message board is in any way analagous to the youth in question?

Notwithstanding, you overlook  all sorts of stories of  diverse groups building bridges via information lectures, lunches, fares etc. Most of all, you overlook individual friendships made between people of all ethnic goups.

Soren, you should take off your blinkers , you'll see a lot more, honest.
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