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Reply #210 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 2:26pm
 
Twattish language games with twats
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Reply #211 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 2:40pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 2:26pm:
Twattish language games with twats


Do you mean like changing your name so that it contains the word cocc?

Now that would go well with twat.
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Reply #212 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 2:50pm
 
I mean pretending you don't know that a christmas tree is a symbol of christmas. What's your angle, buster?!
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Reply #213 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 3:45pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 2:50pm:
I mean pretending you don't know that a christmas tree is a symbol of christmas. What's your angle, buster?!


The Winter solstice is a pagan celebration, one of the four pagan festivals of the year, including Midsummer (Summer solstice), Beltaine (Spring equinox) and All Hallows Eve, or Halloween (Autumn exquinox). Many other cultures and religions have (or had) festivals at these times, including Hindus, Buddhists, and the Egyptians.

To fit in and play nice, the Christians adapted these festivals to the Christian callendar - just as the Soviets did with festivals like May Day. Christmas has nothing to do with the birth of the baby Jesus, just as May Day, Easter or Beltaine has nothing to do with His death.

These days are important times in the year in agrarian societies, times when harvests are being reaped or planted or in short supply. They also have spiritual importance in the Old Religion - astrologically, All Hallows Eve is supposed to be a good time to contact the dead. Beltaine is supposed to be the time of the year when the "veil between the worlds" is thinnest (and magic - or intention - strongest, hence its focus on rebirth).

Kids can collect chocolates from their neighbours, decorate tree symbols or go on Easter egg hunts anytime they want. The purpose of these festivals, in the way of the Old Religion, was spiritual. See Ecclesiastes about seasons and times under Heaven. The earth has its own rhythms, and heaven its own purpose.

To stick to your "heritage" without even knowing what your heritage is seems to be a tad dumb to me. We no longer live on the land, and most of us are no longer pagan or Christian, or even socialist.

But consumption is required from us like a new form of social contract - otherwise the retail figures will go down, Gerry Harvey will moan, David Jones' share price will drop and the government will panic.

And this is why we still have the Christmas tree, effende: "our heritage".

This is why we have Santa Claus: the comercial artist, Haddon Sundblom, drew him on a Coca Cola poster. Ah, the Spirit of Christmas. He sounds Danish, doesn't he?

So before you tell me to be proud of my heritage, tell me which one you mean: the veil between the worlds or ads for Coca Cola?
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Reply #214 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 3:54pm
 
So does a Christmas tree symbolise Christmas to many people or not for you? Forget everything you just rambled on about. I didn't ask for the lecture. Is a Christmas tree not a contemporary symbol of Christmas? Even if it may not have anything to do in history with Christianity, it is still associated with it.

Eitherway, what I found most amusing about the research Soren found was how blunt the conclusion of the researchers was. Usually when sociological findings crack on (unintentionally) to a politically incorrect finding, a convoluted prescription is given that is far detached from the most clear and obvious course of action. I read a lot of this stuff so it was particularly amusing how the solution to this particular "problem" was to just get rid of the trees. It is banal to point out that if the shoe was on the other foot there would be handwringing and calls for government interventions, sensitivity programs and whatnot. Somebody telephone Robert Putnam.

The dishonesty and double standards of contemporary academics is so incredibly palpable.
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Reply #215 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:00pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 3:54pm:
So does a Christmas tree symbolise Christmas to many people or not for you? Forget everything you just rambled on about. I didn't ask for the lecture. Is a Christmas tree not a contemporary symbol of Christmas? Even if it may not have anything to do in history with Christianity, it is still associated with it.


Read the lecture properly, effende.
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Reply #216 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:03pm
 
I kind of don't even know what we're talking about or what point we're trying to make anymore, frien.
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Reply #217 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:04pm
 
Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 3:45pm:
JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 2:50pm:
I mean pretending you don't know that a christmas tree is a symbol of christmas. What's your angle, buster?!


The Winter solstice is a pagan celebration, one of the four pagan festivals of the year, inclouding Midsummer (Summer solstice), Beltaine (Spring equinox) and All Hallows Eve, or Halloween (Autumn exquinox). Many other cultures and religions have (or had) festivals at these times, including Hindus, Buddhists, and the Egyptians.

To fit in and play nice, the Christians adapted these festivals to the Christian callendar - just as the Soviets did with festivals like May Day. Christmas has nothing to do with the birth of the baby Jesus, just as May Day, Easter or Beltaine has nothing to do with His death.

These days are important times in the year in agrarian societies, times when harvests are being reaped or planted or in short supply. They also have spiritual importance in the Old Religion - astrologically, All Hallows Eve is supposed to be a good time to contact the dead. Beltaine is supposed to be the time of the year when the "veil between the worlds" is thinnest (and magic - or intention - strongest, hence its focus on rebirth).

Kids can collect chocolates from their neighbours, decorate tree symbols or go on Easter egg hunts anytime they want. The purpose of these festivals, in the way of the Old Religion, was spiritual. See Ecclesiastes about seasons and times under Heaven. The earth has its own rhythms, and heaven its own purpose.

To stick to your "heritage" without even knowing what your heritage is seems to be a tad dumb to me. We no longer live on the land, and most of us are no longer pagan or Christian, or even socialist.

But consumption is required from us like a new form of social contract - otherwise the retail figures will go down, Gerry Harvey will moan, David Jones' share price will drop and the government will panic.

And this is why we still have the Christmas tree, effende: "our heritage".

This is why we have Santa Claus: the comercial artist, Haddon Sundblom, drew him on a Coca Cola poster. Ah, the Spirit of Christmas. He sounds Danish, doesn't he?

So before you tell me to be proud of my heritage, tell me which one you mean: the veil between the worlds or ads for Coca Cola?



Oh for fuxsake, what an insufferable swot you are PB!!! We know you have memorised The idiot's guide to Sociology.




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Reply #218 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:05pm
 
Karnal's English buddy.

Though I don't really want to detract from your hilarious penchant for talking about names, avatars and locations everywhere (NAL), so I'm not going to ruin the gag anymore.
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Reply #219 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:24pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:05pm:
Karnal's English buddy.

Though I don't really want to detract from your hilarious penchant for talking about names, avatars and locations everywhere (NAL), so I'm not going to ruin the gag anymore.



He's English like Anjem Chadhoury is English, the silly PB.
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Reply #220 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:30pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:05pm:
Karnal's English buddy.

Though I don't really want to detract from your hilarious penchant for talking about names, avatars and locations everywhere (NAL), so I'm not going to ruin the gag anymore.


I know it's not a game of 'who the bugger are you?" but what's with all the ID changes? I thought an Imperial outlook from Dubbo was solid.
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Reply #221 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:24pm:
JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 4:05pm:
Karnal's English buddy.

Though I don't really want to detract from your hilarious penchant for talking about names, avatars and locations everywhere (NAL), so I'm not going to ruin the gag anymore.



He's English like Anjem Chadhoury is English, the silly PB.


I want to get to the bottom of this joke actually: did you just start calling him a Paki because his screen name is 'Karnal', or did he ever hint at it elsewhere? Is it because he pretends (?????????) to be a Mooslim?

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I know it's not a game of 'who the bugger are you?" but what's with all the ID changes? I thought an Imperial outlook from Dubbo was solid.


I'll change it back after I have finished metamorphising.
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Reply #222 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 7:58pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:38pm:
I'll change it back after I have finished metamorphising.



That's what Gregor Samsa thought....
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Reply #223 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 8:02pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:38pm:
I want to get to the bottom of this joke actually


He is a second generation PB. He went to Bradford Poly and did cultural and post-colonial studies.

I thought it was obvious to everyone.

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Reply #224 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 8:06pm
 
Post-colonialism (postcolonial theory, post-colonial theory) is a specifically post-modern intellectual discourse that consists of reactions to, and analysis of, the cultural legacy of colonialism. Postcolonialism comprises a set of theories found amongst philosophy, film, political science, human geography, sociology, feminism, religious and theological studies, and literature.

This sounds like an intellectually lucrative field.

Is this why he is always babbling on about the balance of power, geopolitik, globalism and the movement of labour?
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