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Reply #195 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 11:32am

Christmas trees 'make non-Christians feel excluded'

Christmas trees should be removed from public places to avoid making non-Christians feel “excluded”, scientists have suggested.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/8214222/Christmas-trees-make-non-Chr...

Multiculturalism makes locals feel excluded. Multiculturalism should be removed to avoid making natives feel 'excluded'.

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Dirty Paki Khunt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103130	Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #196 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 11:58am I can't think of anything much less Christian than a tree. It's more of an Islamic symbol I would have thought.
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5520 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #197 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 1:16pm Why get rid of the Christmas trees? Somebody call Robbie Putnam; I'm sure he'll have a solution (involving large amounts of taxpayer money, no doubt) to this problem that conveninently evades having to resort to the most obvious course of action!
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Reply #198 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 1:55pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 11:58am:

I can't think of anything much less Christian than a tree. It's more of an Islamic symbol I would have thought.

It's not really either Karnal,

It's a hold-over from pagan winter solstice celebrations, marking the point when winter starts to turn towards spring...

The tree represents 'regrowth' and the hope that winter will end..

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Reply #199 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:12pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 1:55pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 11:58am:

I can't think of anything much less Christian than a tree. It's more of an Islamic symbol I would have thought.

It's not really either Karnal,

It's a hold-over from pagan winter solstice celebrations, marking the point when winter starts to turn towards spring...

The tree represents 'regrowth' and the hope that winter will end..

Well, there you go. We live in a secular society. Trees might offend the non-pagans among us.

However, it's Summer. Why are we celebrating regrowth and hoping that Winter will end?

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Reply #200 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:20pm

For many Aussies, the Xmas period is merely a good excuse to catch up with friends and family for a good feed and/or booze-up - the trees and gifts no longer having much residual pagan meaning and now merged with the broader materialistic paradigm of modern capitalism...

Thanks to the clever marketing pioneers at Coca Cola, even Santa Claus has long been co-opted and adorned in their corporate colours...

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Lamenting the shift in the Australian psyche, away from the egalitarian ideal of the fair-go - and the rise of short-sighted pollies, who worship the 'Growth Fairy' and seek to divide and conquer!

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Reply #201 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:21pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 1:55pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 11:58am:

I can't think of anything much less Christian than a tree. It's more of an Islamic symbol I would have thought.

It's not really either Karnal,

It's a hold-over from pagan winter solstice celebrations, marking the point when winter starts to turn towards spring...

The tree represents 'regrowth' and the hope that winter will end..

Well, there you go. We live in a secular society. Trees might offend the non-pagans among us.

However, it's Summer. Why are we celebrating regrowth and hoping that Winter will end?

Because the festival came to the southern hemisphere with the European settlers...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #202 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:28pm The dates of most christian holy festivals were 'borrowed', or 'appropriated' from pre-christian religions...mostly Druid, but some Roman as well...
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #203 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:50pm It is amazing how eagerly you all seem to go along with every little act of chipping away at your own heritage - while just as swiffly and eagerly defend every stupid 'cultural' custom by foreigners.
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5520 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #204 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:59pm That is a synonym for surprising. I'm not surprised at all by the resarchers.
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Reply #205 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 3:02pm

I don't.....I think that if 'other cultures' are offended by christmas trees, decorations and carols.....just don't look/listen to them..

I'm not overly offended by the religious festivals of the various eastern cultures, because I generally ignore them (although I do like Chinese New Year, with the Dragon Dances, fireworks and ,in some places, free finger foods like spring rolls, dim sums etc handed out on the streets)...

I barely notice the Feast of Ramadan, Passover or Hindu New Year.......

I don't 'demand' that the people don't celebrate them either....I expect the same respect in return though...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5520 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #206 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 3:04pm
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Reply #207 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 4:28pm

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:50pm:

It is amazing how eagerly you all seem to go along with every little act of chipping away at your own heritage - while just as swiffly and eagerly defend every stupid 'cultural' custom by foreigners.

So true. We really should defend the celebration of hoping for the end of Winter -

In Summer.

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Reply #208 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 9:40pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 4:28pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:50pm:

It is amazing how eagerly you all seem to go along with every little act of chipping away at your own heritage - while just as swiffly and eagerly defend every stupid 'cultural' custom by foreigners.

So true. We really should defend the celebration of hoping for the end of Winter -

In Summer.

The article mentions that non-Christians feel excluded by the Chritmas tree. In Canada. Where it is not summer. Where it is a symbol - which is what it is here.
But I am not asking you to think. That would be cruel. You area paki bugger so you have the lifelong pass for the Bozo-a-go-go.
Go on, have another round.

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Reply #209 - Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 2:23pm

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 9:40pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 4:28pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 2:50pm:

It is amazing how eagerly you all seem to go along with every little act of chipping away at your own heritage - while just as swiffly and eagerly defend every stupid 'cultural' custom by foreigners.

So true. We really should defend the celebration of hoping for the end of Winter -

In Summer.

The article mentions that non-Christians feel excluded by the Chritmas tree. In Canada. Where it is not summer. Where it is a symbol - which is what it is here.
But I am not asking you to think. That would be cruel. You area paki bugger so you have the lifelong pass for the Bozo-a-go-go.
Go on, have another round.

Oh, a symbol, is it? I'm glad you've cleared that one up, old boy.

Some of us seem to think that it has something to do with Christianity of all things. Ha!

Pakis love all trees and all religions, my frien. We have no problem with your lovey Christmas tree.

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