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Reply #120 - Aug 11^th, 2010 at 3:22pm

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You can divide on tall, short, or blood group but what's so special about skin colour or some other features?

What's so 'un-special' about skin colour or other obvious differences that you refuse to acknowldege them? You can pretend you don't notice, but it just makes you look silly.

Who said I don't notice? I notice the characteristics that you're carrying on about just as much as I notice tall, short, fat, and bad breathed etc. I'm just saying that to think that there's some essential category behind an arbitrary division based on some characteristics is unfounded. What it amounts to is thinking that a person wearing a green hat is essentially different from someone wearing a blue one. That's where you and I part the ways Wesley.

Except that a blue hat can be easily exchanged for a green one. But you can't change who you are.

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Reply #121 - Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:08pm

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You just gave the example about Zulus. The greatest genetic diversity within homo sapiens sapiens is in Africa. In other words within that one 'race' as you call it there is much more genetical variation than there is between say typical Danes and typical Japanese. If you want to go on appearance, there are some native Peruvians that you wouldn't be able to tell from Koreans.

That's why I specifically said 'zulus' and not 'africans'
We might have got lazy with our 'white race' and 'black race' categories, when there are many races grouped together under these banners.

Well according to Anthropologists, race is not a scientifically valid biological category. It might be important as a socially constructed category, I guess in the same way as religions are used, but it has no biological basis.

You can certainly classify people into colour, eye types, hair colour etc, but it doesn't have a scientific basis. That's why you hear the same old thing from people who study humanity - the experts in the field, who say that there is only one race - the human race.

It's perhaps more useful to talk about ethnicity from the point of view of cultural identity.

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Reply #122 - Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:13pm

Ziggy wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 2:40pm:

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You can divide on tall, short, or blood group but what's so special about skin colour or some other features?

What's so 'un-special' about skin colour or other obvious differences that you refuse to acknowldege them? You can pretend you don't notice, but it just makes you look silly.

Who said I don't notice? I notice the characteristics that you're carrying on about just as much as I notice tall, short, fat, and bad breathed etc. I'm just saying that to think that there's some essential category behind an arbitrary division based on some characteristics is unfounded. What it amounts to is thinking that a person wearing a green hat is essentially different from someone wearing a blue one.

I'm sorry, friend, you're mistaken. As Soren asserts, we need arbitrary categories called races to stop us thinking doors are walls.

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Reply #123 - Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:16pm

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 3:12pm:

The Europeans do not overlook the Greeks for a moment. Grece is regarded as the birthplace of western civilisation. It has never been used as a football.
Waddaya know, even Christianity was written in Greek. The whole of the Eastern Roman Empire spoke Greek. The Muslims burst out of Araby on horseback, dusty and illiterate, and found a settled, fourishing Greek Christian civilisation to conquer, ending in 1453 with Byzantium (now called Istambul, for some reason...).

Did you know that every ailment from psoriasis to poison ivy can be cured with Windex ? Grin

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Reply #124 - Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:17pm

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:08pm:

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You just gave the example about Zulus. The greatest genetic diversity within homo sapiens sapiens is in Africa. In other words within that one 'race' as you call it there is much more genetical variation than there is between say typical Danes and typical Japanese. If you want to go on appearance, there are some native Peruvians that you wouldn't be able to tell from Koreans.

That's why I specifically said 'zulus' and not 'africans'
We might have got lazy with our 'white race' and 'black race' categories, when there are many races grouped together under these banners.

Well according to Anthropologists, race is not a scientifically valid biological category. It might be important as a socially constructed category, I guess in the same way as religions are used, but it has no biological basis.

You can certainly classify people into colour, eye types, hair colour etc, but it doesn't have a scientific basis. That's why you hear the same old thing from people who study humanity - the experts in the field, who say that there is only one race - the human race.

It's perhaps more useful to talk about ethnicity from the point of view of cultural identity.

I'd have to see the anthroplogists' workings to see how they arrived at that conclusion.

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Reply #125 - Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:19pm

... wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:17pm:

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:08pm:

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You just gave the example about Zulus. The greatest genetic diversity within homo sapiens sapiens is in Africa. In other words within that one 'race' as you call it there is much more genetical variation than there is between say typical Danes and typical Japanese. If you want to go on appearance, there are some native Peruvians that you wouldn't be able to tell from Koreans.

That's why I specifically said 'zulus' and not 'africans'
We might have got lazy with our 'white race' and 'black race' categories, when there are many races grouped together under these banners.

Well according to Anthropologists, race is not a scientifically valid biological category. It might be important as a socially constructed category, I guess in the same way as religions are used, but it has no biological basis.

You can certainly classify people into colour, eye types, hair colour etc, but it doesn't have a scientific basis. That's why you hear the same old thing from people who study humanity - the experts in the field, who say that there is only one race - the human race.

It's perhaps more useful to talk about ethnicity from the point of view of cultural identity.

I'd have to see the anthroplogists' workings to see how they arrived at that conclusion.

I know an anthropologist. If you like, I'll ask him.

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Reply #126 - Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:29pm

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 3:12pm:

The Europeans do not overlook the Greeks for a moment. Grece is regarded as the birthplace of western civilisation. It has never been used as a football.
Waddaya know, even Christianity was written in Greek. The whole of the Eastern Roman Empire spoke Greek. The Muslims burst out of Araby on horseback, dusty and illiterate, and found a settled, fourishing Greek Christian civilisation to conquer, ending in 1453 with Byzantium (now called Istambul, for some reason...).

Did you know that every ailment from psoriasis to poison ivy can be cured with Windex ? Grin

Exactly. They use it on the tinted races for bleaching the skin. Most effective.

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Reply #127 - Aug 12^th, 2010 at 11:28am

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:16pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 3:12pm:

The Europeans do not overlook the Greeks for a moment. Grece is regarded as the birthplace of western civilisation. It has never been used as a football.
Waddaya know, even Christianity was written in Greek. The whole of the Eastern Roman Empire spoke Greek. The Muslims burst out of Araby on horseback, dusty and illiterate, and found a settled, fourishing Greek Christian civilisation to conquer, ending in 1453 with Byzantium (now called Istambul, for some reason...).

Did you know that every ailment from psoriasis to poison ivy can be cured with Windex ? Grin

Exactly. They use it on the tinted races for bleaching the skin. Most effective.

We are all tinted, except for the Albinos............Let's get 'em! Grin

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #128 - Aug 12^th, 2010 at 11:37am muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:16pm: Did you know that every ailment from psoriasis to poison ivy can be cured with Windex ? Liar! I gave my car windows the once-over with Windex - but they are still tinted!!!
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #129 - Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:10pm Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:29pm: Exactly. They use it on the tinted races for bleaching the skin. Most effective. It's funny you should say that, but in parts of North Africa, some women use Betnovate cream to lighten the skin. It's quite a dangerous practice though.
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Reply #130 - Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:24pm

muso wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:10pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

Exactly. They use it on the tinted races for bleaching the skin. Most effective.

It's funny you should say that, but in parts of North Africa, some women use Betnovate cream to lighten the skin.

It's quite a dangerous practice though.

When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism is great Reply #131 - Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:29pm Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:24pm: When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA. The weird thing is that while Moroccan brides frantically try to make their skin lighter before a wedding, we have their European counterparts sitting under the solarium trying to get a tan.
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Reply #132 - Aug 12^th, 2010 at 4:35pm

muso wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:24pm:

When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA.

The weird thing is that while Moroccan brides frantically try to make their skin lighter before a wedding, we have their European counterparts sitting under the solarium trying to get a tan.

Despicable apeasers.

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Reply #133 - Aug 12^th, 2010 at 5:23pm

muso wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:24pm:

When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA.

The weird thing is that while Moroccan brides frantically try to make their skin lighter before a wedding, we have their European counterparts sitting under the solarium trying to get a tan.

For Europeans, a tan is a sign of leisure, elsewhere it is a sign of toil.

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Reply #134 - Aug 13^th, 2010 at 10:05am

Soren wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 5:23pm:

muso wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 3:24pm:

When will they ever learn? Whitey rules the shop - it's in his DNA.

The weird thing is that while Moroccan brides frantically try to make their skin lighter before a wedding, we have their European counterparts sitting under the solarium trying to get a tan.

For Europeans, a tan is a sign of leisure, elsewhere it is a sign of toil.

Aha! Very true. So it's the tanned versus the tinted.

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