that's more like the mozzaok we all know and love.
thought you had gone soft for a while there.

grendel - you are quite right, it was in a story jesus told, a parable.
Still, it was a parable. Intended to illustrate a point (about God/jesus)

So, what was the point ?

This parable appears directly before the emulated Davidic coronation procession which by its symbolism was a direct (although eccentric) challange to the authority of Rome.

Mozz

Cant work it out Mozz...  could be because your dealing with stuff you are ignorant about.

Lukes version is a mixture of history and 2 parables...  You'll find one in matt.

It was in answer to the coming of the Kingdom of God...  NOT being imminent as many believed at the time.  It touches on what people should do in the meantime and about the inevitability of the day of judgement, etc.

It is a parable ie; a story not a factual blow by blow account of what is going to happen.

Pilate did not want to kill Jesus, the pharisees did . They forced him to.

Jc did not contend with Caeser -

Quote:


Matthew 22:15-22

One of my more fav answers from him. So simple, so clever.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 20^th, 2009 at 9:29pm:



moz,

The whole point of

a

parable is for us to listen to it, and to learn something, for ourselves.

Clearly you can read, and comprehend, what you read.

And what you comprehended, and what you got from the line at Luke 19:27, was that perhaps Jesus was touting himself as 'The Big Don', who intended to have his enemies slain before him [when he came to power, soon].

This same parable begins at Luke 19:11......

Luke 19:11
And as they heard these things,

he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear

.
.....
27  But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


Will someone get slain?

Yes.



To get the drift of what the line at Luke 19:27 'indicates', or alludes to, read another parable.

Maybe 'the penny will drop'?



Matthew 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

"....and the reapers are the angels."

Is someone going to get slain?

Yes.

Christians believe that there will be a 'harvest' [of souls] at the end of the world.

And, if we are created beings, which come from God, doesn't God have a right to take in his harvest, in the manner in which he wishes?

, then it is clear that the big guy owns us.

We are his harvest, his 'children'.

If God is real, who will stop him?

You?





p.s.
But don't worry about it though moz.

Because God is absolutely just.            

And if we are to fall into the hands of a just God, we can only get our just deserts.

So, IF THERE IS A GOD, there can be nothing to fear, can there?

Err, if we all believe in justice, and TRUTH?

And we all do, DON'T WE!            

They all thought that Rome would be defeated by their overt holiness alone. The eccentric coronation ceremony and its inane in-your-face challenge to Rome... Paul's obsessed and manic travels preaching a doctrine that during his frenzied mission got thinner and thinner as he sloughed off the theology just to get converts over the line before the end times. And both Paul and James, the brother of Jesus and leader of the Jerusalem Council, despite their bitter disagreements, agreed that 'the end was nigh'.

James was the brother of Jesus. It is inconceivable that throughout 30 plus years of acquaintance that the end times occurrence was not mutually understood. James was also known as 'the just' or 'the righteous' and was also deeply religious. Paul claims authority from a vision of Jesus and neither James nor Paul disagree on the end times being within their generation's lifetime. It's reasonable to presume that Jesus, James and Paul all believed the end was imminent.