So?

That's the last line of a parable about " a man of noble birth who went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return." It is a line spoken by that man in the parable.

You have to do better than this before you declare a fatwah on yourself in your rush to equivocation and dhimmitude.

And?

mozzaok - whom were the poeple who opposed Jesus ??

easel - the whole quote is quite specific.
It is to only fulfil the OT prophecy and is oppostite to Jesus teachings.

Quote:


Luke 22:37-39

easel wrote on Apr 17^th, 2009 at 10:17pm:



It is clear from the NT that some of Jesus followers [including Peter?] 'got about' armed with swords.


Luke 22:48
But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?
49  When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?
50  And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.


Elsewhere in the NT, in an account of the same incident, Jesus counselled against violence.

Matthew 26:48
Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.
49  And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.
50  And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
51  And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
52  Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.







Even while Jesus was among them, Jesus disciples could not help but reveal their nature, their human failings.

Did Jesus disciples clearly understand his purpose, and his message while Jesus was among them?

It seems unlikely.

Luke 9:43
And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples,
44  Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.
45  But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.
46  Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.


Mark 9:30
And they departed thence, and passed through Galilee; and he would not that any man should know it.
31  For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
32  But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.
33  And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?
34  But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.



It seems that Jesus disciples were motivated by very worldly desires.

2000 years later what hope do we today have, to do what is right [in God's eyes],
.....to find, to understand, and to follow Jesus 'true' teachings?

What hope?

When we are all ppl who are 'overcome' by the 'spirit' of this world.

Me too, i'm a sinner, seeking a better, more acceptable way in my journey.

Will i make mistakes?

Yes.

Should we surrender to the lord and the spirit of this world?

No.




Seek your God, and his righteousness.

You are an idiot on this subject Mozz...  you just libelled Jesus by saying he said something he didn't by ascribing to him something a character in a story said.  You don't know what you are talking about.

There is no compulsion to Christianity these days by any church.  Unlike Islam which demands submission.

hhhmm, I thought Jesus DID say that, so mozzaok did not libel him.
Still, I have been wrong before.

Sure, there is LOTS of bad stuff on the bible.
Mostly in the OT, and is not for xians to follow.
Often is just what happened. Over a course of 1000's of years, lots of bad stuff happens everywhere.

Grendel wrote on Apr 20^th, 2009 at 10:17am:





Grendel,

It does not matter how you try to explain something, to some ppl, some ppl just cannot 'hear' what you are saying.

Its way over their heads [Yadda swishes palm of hand, over Yadda's head].         



Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.


Luke 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.