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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: A Rule Reply #1 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 7:56pm If they posted personal information from months ago and I recalled it and referred to it at a later date, and they got upset, is that the same? Or is it their own foolish fault?
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Reply #2 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:08pm

Easel, if you get arrested:

1. Say NOTHING, no matter what they tell you, NO MATTER WHAT. Whether they say, 'It will be easier on you blah blah...' Nothing. Give them your name, address, and hand over your ID and possessions. Be nice and say 'Look, I'm sorry guys, but I'm not making any statements today. And would it be possible for me to call my lawyer please?' Just keep saying that, in a nice but persistent way. Don't be a smartass, and don't get angry with the cops, or be intimidated by them. They might try to say 'Oh for this offence you have to make a statement, and we can charge you with hinder police for not doing so....' just say, again, 'Well I'm sorry guys, I'm not making a statement, can I please call my lawyer?'

2. Call your lawyer. Remember that they are probably listening to what you tell your lawyer, so just say, I've been arrested, can you come down and see if you can arrange bail for me please?

3. Do not even consent to a statement, to say that you don't want to make a statement. You have the right to silence, so use it.

Its amazing how many people stuff that part up, when its on all the tv shows, and on all the movies.

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: A Rule Reply #3 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:14pm Thanks for the tip. It would be odd if I did get arrested.
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Reply #4 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:16pm

But confession is so much better for the soul.

I always say, just tell the truth, if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

The police are not our enemies, we should try and help them, not waste their time.
They are not trying to trap innocent people, so innocent people have nothing to fear from the cops.

However, if you are guilty, they will catch you, sooner or later, so pissing them around in the short term will not do anyone any good.

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Reply #5 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:20pm

mozzaok wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:16pm:

But confession is so much better for the soul.

Sorry, just give me a sec...

HAAHAHAHAH

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I always say, just tell the truth, if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

BULLSH****

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The police are not our enemies, we should try and help them, not waste their time.

You sir, oughta be put in a museum. No really, you are just too funny. The police are there trying to increase their clearup rate and pin whatever they can ON YOU. So anything you say can help them do that. They dont give a flying rats ass whether you actually did it or not. All they want is a case that they can win. And mighty Mooazak would help them do that. Well good onya there champ. Take a hit for the team - and one from a few inmates inside too.

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They are not trying to trap innocent people, so innocent people have nothing to fear from the cops.

HA HA HA HAAAA

Watch this, learn:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8167533318153586646&hl=en

Easel should watch this too. Actually everyone should.

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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: A Rule Reply #6 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:25pm Professor Duane from Regent Law School is a guru. I'm a big fan of his.
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Reply #7 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:33pm

Boy you are cynical Calanen.

I know more than a little about the law, and I do not think that cops want to persecute innocent people, and I don't know if the link you put was from that US law professor, but I assume it is, because I have seen it before, and it may have some merit, for guilty people, who live in the US, to follow your advice, but innocent aussies don't need to worry, our cops are good.

Seriously, they don't arrest people without evidence, and if they have evidence, they don't need your co-operation, to secure a conviction, so you just make a goose of yourself, for nothing.

If you do the wrong thing, and get caught, then just try and face up to the fact you made a mistake, and try not to do it again.

I know a few police who would not be impressed with someone being a smartarse over something trivial, and making them waste time on something that would just bring a fine at worst anyway, so why make enemies with the cops, who are just trying to do their jobs?

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Reply #8 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:44pm

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I know more than a little about the law,

You do? How about that - me too. I have the degrees and licenses on the wall to prove it. Its actually what I've done every day for the past 10 years or so, in three different countries.

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and I do not think that cops want to persecute innocent people,

How would they know? Because you tell them emphatically, and they are going to believe you, just because you say its really, really, really true?

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and I don't know if the link you put was from that US law professor, but I assume it is, because I have seen it before, and it may have some merit, for guilty people, who live in the US, to follow your advice,

You didn't watch it then - because he said that if you are innocent you shouldn't talk to the cops, and quotes from the US Supreme Court who says the same thing. He also hears from the Sgt in the Virginia Police Dept, and was in the Navy as an investigator. And he agrees with the Professor.

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but innocent aussies don't need to worry, our cops are good.

Which cops would they be? The Feds? ASIO? NT Police, ACT Police, NSW Police, SA Police, QLD Police, WA Police? Tasmanian Police? Royal Commissions into Police Corruption in both NSW and Queensland? You've met, dealt with and know them all? You sure get around then. I've dealt with all of them except for the SA Police.

Can you tell me what the relevant difference between US law and Australian law and US police and Australian police is? There is no relevant difference.

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Reply #9 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 10:32pm

mozzaok - last year I had an experiecne with the law that leads me to agree with calanens comments in the main.

The westminster system is an adverserial system.
It is the cops against whoever they can get.
They do a GREAT job and have my 100% support, but if I am questioned, they are NOT on MY side.
They are legally against me.

I have and will do all I can to assist them.

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Reply #10 - Apr 14^th, 2009 at 12:13am

Calanen wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:08pm:

Easel, if you get arrested:

1. Say NOTHING, no matter what they tell you, NO Be nice and say 'Look, I'm sorry guys, but I'm not making any statements today. And would it be possible for me to call my lawyer please?'

Better still, ask if you can PM Counsellor Calanen from Ozpolitic...

It'll be like a movie... The camera will fix on the cops turning to each other with that pained look... they've dealt with Counsellor Calanen before, their knowing glances will imply... Then the scene will flash to a court room in the past... Counsellor Calanen staring down the police prosecutor, his arm outstrecthed, finger pointing at him growling "Go ahead... Break my case"...

What happens next... Stay tuned for next weeks episode of "Hand Force Calanen - The Defecator".

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Reply #11 - Apr 14^th, 2009 at 7:59am

Wow Calanen, you have been a lawyer for only 10 years, and already been rejected in two other countries? Grin

I have seen the clip in question, and as I said, if you are in the US, and you are guilty, then it makes a lot of sense, but keep in ,mind, the point of the exercise was that he was a law professor, making a point to law students, that is all.

If you want to try out Calanen's advice(already not wanted in two other countries Grin

), then I certainly won't stop you.

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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: A Rule Reply #12 - Apr 14^th, 2009 at 10:42am One of my best mates told me that 5 years of Law at Uni and another 10 in practice boiled down to two simple things. Admit nothing. Deny everything. Easel, private correspondence is just that. Information should only be revealed if it involved harm to someone.
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Reply #13 - Apr 14^th, 2009 at 10:49am

hi locutious, and yes, of course, in principle, it is true what you say, but the reality is more as I describe it, ask any copper.

I was just pointing out the facts as I know them, and to prove yourself a liar in interview, would not bode for pleasant interaction, sometimes the best advice, needs to be tailored to the circumstances at hand.

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Reply #14 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 8:09am

mozzaok wrote on Apr 14^th, 2009 at 7:59am:

Wow Calanen, you have been a lawyer for only 10 years, and already been rejected in two other countries? Grin

I have seen the clip in question, and as I said, if you are in the US, and you are guilty, then it makes a lot of sense, but keep in ,mind, the point of the exercise was that he was a law professor, making a point to law students, that is all.

If you want to try out Calanen's advice(already not wanted in two other countries Grin

), then I certainly won't stop you.

Mozzaok, I may have missed a Post/s, but where is it established that (a) Calanen is a lawyer and/or Solicitor/Barrister admitted to practice in all or any one of the States of Australia, and (b) he was not able to be admitted to practice in two other jurisdictions?

Undecided

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