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Reply #15 - Apr 7th, 2009 at 10:01pm
 
Was this the same easel that was asking about anti-psychotic meds in another thread?

In any event - easel - some evidence please. Any one of us can say we have classified super secret men in black info that means Obama is an alien. But its the internetz. So that doesnt count.
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Reply #16 - Apr 7th, 2009 at 11:25pm
 
Calanen wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 10:01pm:
Was this the same easel that was asking about anti-psychotic meds in another thread?

In any event - easel - some evidence please. Any one of us can say we have classified super secret men in black info that means Obama is an alien. But its the internetz. So that doesnt count.


Is this the same Calanen that thinks airport security should be armed with "machine guns"?

I know what I know.

Where am I going to get information that is highly classified in format where I can publish it online? It's not going to happen.

You don't have to believe it. You can also continue believing that airport security should be armed with machine guns.

You can also falsely claim that all outlaw motorcycle gangs are infiltrated by Muslims/Lebanese, however, talking to people today and on Sunday who are sort of involved in that area (outlaw motorcycle gangs), I am inclined to think you talk a hell of a lot of crap and that most gangs hate Muslims and Lebanese.
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Reply #17 - Apr 7th, 2009 at 11:48pm
 
Calanen wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 10:01pm:
Was this the same easel that was asking about anti-psychotic meds in another thread?

In any event - easel - some evidence please. Any one of us can say we have classified super secret men in black info that means Obama is an alien. But its the internetz. So that doesnt count.


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Is this the same Calanen that thinks airport security should be armed with "machine guns"?


I wish I could take credit for it being my idea, but, alas and unhappily, I have to say that some other countries thought of having automatic weapons at airports even before I did. Given that the terrorists would have automatic weapons, it becomes a revolutionary concept that we could similarly arm our own security forces.

London Heathrow:

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New York, JFK Airport:

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Seoul International Airport, Korea:

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Pearson International Airport, Canada.

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So having machine guns at the airport, or autos, has been done just about EVERYWHERE else except in wussland Australia, because it makes sense.

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That's not very convincing. Not even one person on the internetz anywhere, has any evidence to support your theory?  
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Reply #18 - Apr 7th, 2009 at 11:52pm
 
Do you know the difference between a machine gun and a submachine gun? A submachine gun is essentially an automatic pistol with a stock.

It's not theory. It's fact.

Let's rediscuss your claim about bikies and Muslim infiltration now. Where's your evidence? People claiming to be in the know have told me that what you claim is bullshit.
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Reply #19 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 12:02am
 
easel wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 11:52pm:
Do you know the difference between a machine gun and a submachine gun? A submachine gun is essentially an automatic pistol with a stock.


I'm not sure that I used the term 'machine gun', I might have, but if I did, it was just shorthand for 'automatic weapon.' Do I really have to say, that I did not mean mount a .50 cal HMG in the terminal?

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It's not theory. It's fact.


Except with the exception of very few pistols (say the Glock 17), automatic pistols, are really only semi-autos. What you said was quite silly. So you are cool with MP5s, but not assault rifles?

That said, if I had to choose what they would be armed with at the airport, I would say M-16s with subsonic ammo. Even if there were just a few in a locker somewhere. I believe that my post about this has been deleted by FDs great forum fubar.

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Let's rediscuss your claim about bikies and Muslim infiltration now. Where's your evidence? People claiming to be in the know have told me that what you claim is bullshit.


That's good. I'm glad. You can forward your claim on to Police Headquarters, Surry Hills, Sydney, and I am sure they will re-write their intelligence briefs accordingly.
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Reply #20 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 12:08am
 
So now you are talking about guns with assumed knowledge are you?

The Glock 17 is just a standard 9mm pistol. I think it is the Glock 18 with compensator that is a full automatic. Correct me if I am wrong.

Those photos appear to show police armed mainly with submachine guns.

You used the term machine gun.

Why would they bother with M-16's with subsonics?

Are you aware of the capabilities of AFP these days? I think not.

When I wrote theory not fact, I was referring to the CIA arming the 'enemy'.

Are you alright Calanen? Your writing style is quite unlike that of previous posts going back a while.
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Reply #21 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 12:17am
 
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Are you aware of the capabilities of AFP these days? I think not.


I think I am.  They certainly do not have automatic weapons at the airport, because the Chief asked for them. I just think they should have them, and most of the heads of security at other airports around the world agree with me.

You are right it's the Glock 18. Typo late at night.

You used the term 'machine gun', it's rare that I would, I normally say 'automatic weapons'.  We cant know for sure though now, can we, as my post has been deleted. If I did, I apologise, and if I said machine gun, I meant:

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Reply #22 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 12:37am
 
You don't know what they have. You know what false flags are right? Wonder if you know what weaponry AFP have deployed with overseas...

I actually assumed you were referring to automatic rifles before you even mentioned subsonic m-16's in a previous post.

Regardless....

I have reliably heard that most outlaw motorcycle gangs hate Muslims. You claim otherwise. I have heard it from people who seem to be in the know. You claim it as fact that they are infiltrated.

I can't really lend any further credibility to you. Judging by the writing style I am not even sure this is the same Calanen I have corresponded with in the past.

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Reply #23 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 10:07am
 
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I have reliably heard that most outlaw motorcycle gangs hate Muslims. You claim otherwise. I have heard it from people who seem to be in the know. You claim it as fact that they are infiltrated.


They might hate Muslims, but they certainly encouraged Arabs of all persuasions to join their gangs originally because of their brawn, impulsiveness and disregard of Australian Law.  Are there Muslims in these gangs anyway - you would assume drug dealing would be limited to atheists only.

It's too late for them now to whinge that they don't like the blokes from the ME because they've taken control of their precious gangs.  
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Reply #24 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 12:46pm
 
easel wrote on Apr 6th, 2009 at 5:00pm:
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The USSR had a policy of supplying arms to wars of liberation wherever they occur around the world. They never asked for drugs or resources in return.

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The Chinese AK-47's used by the Viet Cong were well made.

Too well made, to be Chinese.

So perhaps the 'Chinese' AK-47's were made in America?

And these AK-47's were then supplied to the Viet Cong, .......by the USA???



OK, i'll bite.

Why?


Chinese AK's were well made, often with Russian equipment given to China. A lot of the AK's were crap during the war. They weren't Chinese or Russian made. They were reverse engineered in America, and were crap. They looked the same but the manufacturing was different as were materials. America was just in the market for money.

The AK-47 was a superior weapon to the weapons issued to US forces.

The AK-47 would shoot through trees, whereas the m16 wouldn't, due to ammunition. Much better weapon. Cheaper too.

The sadistic Americans also design their small arms to wound not kill.


USSR asked for land for its military bases instead. Does Cam Ranh Bay and Lourdes ring the bell?

AK47 made in China were crap because soviets never gave them the alloy formula for barrel metal as they had their own little war with China over Chinese territorial demands and had shot quiet few Chinese with their AKs while Chinese AKs were staffed after short but furious use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhenbao_Island
http://www.russiatoday.ru/Politics/2009-03-12/A_small_war_that_mattered___40_years_since_the_Damansky_Island_tragedy_.html

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Reply #25 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 1:39pm
 
mantra wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 10:07am:
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I have reliably heard that most outlaw motorcycle gangs hate Muslims. You claim otherwise. I have heard it from people who seem to be in the know. You claim it as fact that they are infiltrated.


They might hate Muslims, but they certainly encouraged Arabs of all persuasions to join their gangs originally because of their brawn, impulsiveness and disregard of Australian Law.  Are there Muslims in these gangs anyway - you would assume drug dealing would be limited to atheists only.

It's too late for them now to whinge that they don't like the blokes from the ME because they've taken control of their precious gangs. 


Impulsiveness, maybe. Brawn, no. There are very few naturally brawny middle easterners. They are not genetically predisposed to it. I've actually found most middle easterners to be extremely timid when not in large groups with a pack mentality. So perhaps not so impulsive either, just thuggish.

Where are you getting your information? I remember a recent post where you were asking questions about Arab influence in Sydney criminal circles. I think you are a mushroom, fed on sh*t and kept in the dark.

Muslims haven't got control of anything. They are vastly outnumbered by non-Muslims. You can be Arab without being Muslim.
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Reply #26 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 1:48pm
 
tallowood wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 12:46pm:
easel wrote on Apr 6th, 2009 at 5:00pm:
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The USSR had a policy of supplying arms to wars of liberation wherever they occur around the world. They never asked for drugs or resources in return.

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The Chinese AK-47's used by the Viet Cong were well made.

Too well made, to be Chinese.

So perhaps the 'Chinese' AK-47's were made in America?

And these AK-47's were then supplied to the Viet Cong, .......by the USA???



OK, i'll bite.

Why?


Chinese AK's were well made, often with Russian equipment given to China. A lot of the AK's were crap during the war. They weren't Chinese or Russian made. They were reverse engineered in America, and were crap. They looked the same but the manufacturing was different as were materials. America was just in the market for money.

The AK-47 was a superior weapon to the weapons issued to US forces.

The AK-47 would shoot through trees, whereas the m16 wouldn't, due to ammunition. Much better weapon. Cheaper too.

The sadistic Americans also design their small arms to wound not kill.


USSR asked for land for its military bases instead. Does Cam Ranh Bay and Lourdes ring the bell?

AK47 made in China were crap because soviets never gave them the alloy formula for barrel metal as they had their own little war with China over Chinese territorial demands and had shot quiet few Chinese with their AKs while Chinese AKs were staffed after short but furious use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhenbao_Island
http://www.russiatoday.ru/Politics/2009-03-12/A_small_war_that_mattered___40_years_since_the_Damansky_Island_tragedy_.html



Internet tells me that Cam Ranh Bay became a Soviet base after the war, and that it was only on a 25 year lease, which didn't even last that long.

Russia was providing material to the North Vietnamese who then got paranoid and decided to not work with them, taking Chicom supplies.

A lot of the weaponry was American made.

The Americans also had a policy of infiltrating arms caches and putting HE ammunition in brass loaded in to magazines. This would cause the whole weapon to explode when the HE ammunition was encountered, giving the impression to NVA/VC forces that the Chicom weapons were crap, when in fact they were sabotaged.

Are you familiar with the Gulf of Tonkin incident? The Americans lied in order to get involved in the war.
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Reply #27 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:07pm
 
easel wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 12:37am:
You don't know what they have.


They have 9mm pistols at the airport. They have a heavier weapons team that can be deployed but they don't live at the airport.

The chief executive of the airport presumably would not have asked for auto weapons if they already had them.

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You know what false flags are right? Wonder if you know what weaponry AFP have deployed with overseas...


I've never asked. It would not be hard to find out, they usually tell us.

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I actually assumed you were referring to automatic rifles before you even mentioned subsonic m-16's in a previous post.

Regardless....

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I have reliably heard that most outlaw motorcycle gangs hate Muslims. You claim otherwise. I have heard it from people who seem to be in the know. You claim it as fact that they are infiltrated.


Well that doesn't make a lot of sense if there are muslims who head certain outlaw motorcycle gangs, and are in them.

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I can't really lend any further credibility to you. Judging by the writing style I am not even sure this is the same Calanen I have corresponded with in the past.


We agree on some things, and disagree on others, no big deal.
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Reply #28 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:17pm
 
Calanen wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:07pm:
They have 9mm pistols at the airport. They have a heavier weapons team that can be deployed but they don't live at the airport.

The chief executive of the airport presumably would not have asked for auto weapons if they already had them.


Find out what a false flag is. They have more than just 9mm pistols.

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I've never asked. It would not be hard to find out, they usually tell us.


They tell you what they want you to know.

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Well that doesn't make a lot of sense if there are muslims who head certain outlaw motorcycle gangs, and are in them.


I was told Hells Angels and Commanchero's were infiltrated reasonably by Muslims, but that was about it, most people hate them. I also read in the papers that Australian Hells Angels are looking at being shut down by the Americans. Hopefully they do. It doesn't take much for an entire gang minus a few to defect and make the same gang under a different name, or to kill people they find undesirable. 
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Reply #29 - Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:52pm
 
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Where are you getting your information? I remember a recent post where you were asking questions about Arab influence in Sydney criminal circles. I think you are a mushroom, fed on sh*t and kept in the dark.

Muslims haven't got control of anything. They are vastly outnumbered by non-Muslims. You can be Arab without being Muslim.


You're the only idiot talking about Muslims and outlaw gangs.  I said Arabs of all persuasions and questioned whether there were even Muslims in these gangs.  Put your reading glasses on.
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