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Mar 16th, 2009 at 11:51pm
 
We always hear the nonsense about Islam prohibiting Muslims from having non-Muslim friends, or not allowing their women to marry non-Muslims, looks like Christianity isn't much different...

With NT and OT quotes to boot!

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Should a Christian date or marry an unbeliever?

No, a Christian should not date or marry an unbeliever:


    "Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?" (2 Cor. 6:14-15).

Unfortunately, some Christians hope that they can convert the person he/she is dating or marrying.  They often think that their spirituality is strong enough and that they can witness to, or motivate the other person to convert through their patience and love.  Why do they think this?  Three reasons:  They love the person and are emotionally blinded, they are naive, and they do not know God's word.

This may sound harsh, but something as serious as marrying an unbeliever needs to be dealt with properly and to-the-point.  We are not to compromise the will of God and endanger our spiritual well being.  All we need to do is look in the Old Testament to see why God says not to marry unbelievers.  This is what God said to the Israelites.

    "When the Lord your God shall bring you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and shall clear away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, 2 and when the Lord your God shall deliver them before you, and you shall defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. 3 Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. 4 For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods," (Deut. 7:1-4).

The reason not to marry an unbeliever is that he/she can influence you away from the Lord.  Don't be so naive to think that "you" will never fall.  It happens all the time.
Children

If you marry an unbeliever and have children, how will it effect their spirituality to have the parents divided over spiritual things?  Is it a help or a hindrance to their spiritual health?  Obviously, it is a hindrance.

Unfortunately, too many people do not take into account the extremely serious situation of children and their eternal destiny.  Yet, because of "love" and because they listen to the hearts over the word of God, many people marry unbelievers anyway...and often suffer dire consequences.
What if you are already married to an unbeliever?

If you are already married to an unbeliever then you need to love him/her as best you can, set a good example of being a Christian as you can, and pray for your spouse's salvation.  You cannot leave your spouse (unless there is physical abuse, adultery, or if you are abandoned).  You need to stick it out.  Seek the Lord.

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Reply #1 - Mar 16th, 2009 at 11:58pm
 
ROTFLMAO

used to be a problem with Catholics...

do try to bring yourself into the 21st century Aboo ben booby...  then you can lead the rest of the Muslim Horde.
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Reply #2 - Mar 17th, 2009 at 12:02am
 
Oh and ben Booby...

How many Muslim women can even go out with non-muslim men..

I had several muslim women who liked me and wanted to ho out with me but were too afraid to.  One girl did get up the courage but the day was too stressful for her because she was afraid she would be seen by someone.

Oh dear...  another balloon ruined.  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #3 - Mar 17th, 2009 at 10:55am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 16th, 2009 at 11:51pm:
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Should a Christian date or marry an unbeliever?

No, a Christian should not date or marry an unbeliever:


    "Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?" (2 Cor. 6:14-15).





abu,

One of the principle differences between ISLAM and Christianity is that Christians are taught to pray for unbelievers, and [our] apostates,
....not to murder them.


The Hadith....

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...


From ISLAMIC law texts....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them BECOMES AN UNBELIEVER and HIS BLOOD MAY LEGALLY BE SPILLED. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110





abu,

Here is another quote....

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


"....Come out of her, my people,"
????


Christians are taught that in this life, it is our God's intent, and his hope for us, that we should learn at his feet, so to speak.

We humans have no power here [in this life], except the power to choose.

What God requires of us, is to learn wisdom.

To learn, to know, that what pleases God, is when we ourselves choose to separate ourselves from wickedness.

So yes, we are advised,
....'Don't marry the wicked.',
and we are advised,
....'Don't embrace, or join yourselves to the wicked.'.


But God does not remove choice.


Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:


We choose.

And [if we seek to please God] we separate ourselves from the wicked.
.....[but we don't murder them, in our imagined 'righteousness'.]

When we separate ourselves from the wickedness,
.....we demonstrate that we know that we are the children of God,


1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Ezekiel 33:11
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?







abu,

Do you muslims, seek to please [y]our God?



Q.
Who, is 'separated' from God??


A.
The wicked.


Isaiah 59:1
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2  But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3  For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4  None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
5  They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
6  Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
8  The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.





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No man can hide what he is, from our God.


Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13  Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.




The Koran....

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knoweth all that ye did;"

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/016.qmt.html#016.027
.v 27, 28



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #4 - Mar 17th, 2009 at 11:45am
 

You are entirely correct Abu.
According to the bible a christian should not marry a nonchristian.
Absolutely correct.

Course, many christians do marry nonchristians.
But according to the bible, they should not.


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Reply #5 - Mar 17th, 2009 at 1:16pm
 
You forget sprint...  the one sanctifies the other.  There is no commandment on who to marry.  It is not something Jesus taught.
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Reply #6 - Mar 17th, 2009 at 1:42pm
 
Something which Jesus taught.....


John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.


We are instructed to separate ourselves from sin.

What is sin?


Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33  But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #7 - Mar 17th, 2009 at 2:25pm
 
grendel - that is if two people are already married and one becomes a christian.
It says do not divorce the other just because they are not a christian.
That one has become a christian santifies the nonchristian spouse.

marriage cairries some weight


Abus correct according to my thinking.
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Reply #8 - Mar 17th, 2009 at 6:26pm
 
Sanctification is not just about Christian and Non-Christian sprint.

Yadda... not sure your point.
But let me add this...  

God loves us all...  it is the Sin which he doesn't.  
2 parables come to mind...  The Prodigal Son and The Good Samaritan
We are also urged to love one another.. not pick and choose.
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Reply #9 - Mar 18th, 2009 at 12:46pm
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2009 at 6:26pm:
Sanctification is not just about Christian and Non-Christian sprint.

Yadda... not sure your point.
But let me add this... 

God loves us all...  it is the Sin which he doesn't. 
2 parables come to mind...  The Prodigal Son and The Good Samaritan
We are also urged to love one another.. not pick and choose.




Grendel,

I agree with you.

And yet, our God clearly [from what he says in the Bible, he] loves judgement, TRUTH, righteousness, and mercy [forgiveness].

And God seeks our humble repentance [for our mistakes].

Dictionary,
repent = = feel or express sincere regret or remorse.



Those are our 'lessons'.

The 'discernments' we come to this life to learn, which [i believe] God would like to see in us [his 'children'].

Q.
Have we learnt them?

A.
Look at this world.

Human history informs us, about our ['unrestrained'] nature.

Human history, is a history of our violence....

"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian






How should we be 'guided'?


Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38  This is the first and great commandment.
39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


John 14:18
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19  Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.





Quote:
....God loves us all.



Does he?

When we give account of ourselves to God, will God also love, and have mercy, upon the wicked, and the proud?



Jeremiah 9:23
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24  But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.


Psalms 34:14
Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.


Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.


Psalms 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.


Psalms 7:11
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.


Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.





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Reply #10 - Mar 18th, 2009 at 7:20pm
 
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When we give account of ourselves to God, will God also love, and have mercy, upon the wicked, and the proud?


Yes...

Those who repent and accept Jesus as their Lord and saviour will be saved.

It ain't a difficult or complicated concept.
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Reply #11 - Mar 18th, 2009 at 8:02pm
 

grendel - I see it in a bit different light to that.

But, it would not be the first time I was wrong, even today !!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #12 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 12:01am
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 18th, 2009 at 7:20pm:
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When we give account of ourselves to God, will God also love, and have mercy, upon the wicked, and the proud?


Yes...

Those who repent and accept Jesus as their Lord and saviour will be saved.

It ain't a difficult or complicated concept.

St Paul would be so proud.
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Reply #13 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 12:09am
 

helian - I agree.
there is a lot more to it than that.
it is a lot more .............. just.

theres little justice if that is all there is to it.
those that know the "trick" are "let off"

What about the 3 month old african babies that starve to death ?
They did not not repent or "accept jesus"


Christianitys a bit broader than a local church.
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Reply #14 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 7:44am
 
Lol
You have such limited concepts sprint.
I'm glad my God has no such limits.
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