Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Christians' relationships with Infidels (Read 3111 times)
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22810
A cat with a view
Re: Christians' relationships with Infidels
Reply #15 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 10:40am
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 18th, 2009 at 7:20pm:
Quote:
When we give account of ourselves to God, will God also love, and have mercy, upon the wicked, and the proud?


Yes...

Those who repent and accept Jesus as their Lord and saviour will be saved.


It ain't a difficult or complicated concept.




Grendel,

So, we will come to give account of ourselves to God.
....and the 'good' ppl will repent, and accept Jesus as their Lord and saviour,
....and they will then be accepted, and saved?

Is that scenario scripturally based?




Grendel,

What means this?,

".....many are called, but few are chosen."



Matthew 22:11  And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12  And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13  Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14  For many are called, but few are chosen.



Grendel,

In that last parable, what means this?,

"....the king.....saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?"




And what is the 'wedding garment' which we require in the kings presence?

I would suggest, that our sincere repentance is the 'clothing' we come to God with, seeking his mercy.

Only the foolish would come into Gods presence, without already being 'clothed' in their repentance.

Maybe that wedding guest, expected a wedding garment for him, would be provided?



Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9  And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.


Matthew 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2  And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3  They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4  But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5  While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6  And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7  Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8  And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9  But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10  And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12  But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.


Luke 13:23
Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24  Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25  When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26  Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27  But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.


Isaiah 1:24
Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
25  And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:
26  And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.
27  Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.
28  And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.




Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22810
A cat with a view
Re: Christians' relationships with Infidels
Reply #16 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 10:59am
 
....Oh, and there we were all in one place,
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again.
So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
Jack flash sat on a candlestick
Cause fire is the devil's only friend.

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
No angel born in hell
Could break that satan's spell.
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

He was singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
And singin', "this'll be the day that I die.
"this'll be the day that I die."

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news,
But she just smiled and turned away.
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before,
But the man there said the music wouldn't play.

And in the streets: the children screamed,
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
But not a word was spoken;
The church bells all were broken.
And the three men I admire most:
The father, son, and the holy ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died.


Don McLean - American Pie

Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male
Re: Christians' relationships with Infidels
Reply #17 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 11:53am
 
Ah the great prophet Don McLean...  I love his songs...

I only have to keep repeating...  1 parable.

THE PRODIGAL SON.


AS FOR THE REST..
Quote:
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Ah you seem to keep forgetting the purpose of Jesus' life was to die for our sins. (and rise again).

http://www.god.com/books/god2/sect2.php further reading for you.

Quote:
I am the way, and the truth, and the life. The only way unto the Father is through Me.
—Jesus of Nazareth
Back to top
« Last Edit: Mar 19th, 2009 at 12:10pm by Grendel »  
 
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22810
A cat with a view
Re: Christians' relationships with Infidels
Reply #18 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 12:19pm
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 19th, 2009 at 11:53am:
Ah the great prophet Don McLean...  I love his songs...

I only have to keep repeating...  1 parable.

THE PRODIGAL SON.


AS FOR THE REST..
Quote:
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Ah you seem to keep forgetting the purpose of Jesus' life was to die for our sins. (and rise again).

http://www.god.com/books/god2/sect2.php further reading for you.








Son went out from his fathers house, and 'journeyed into a far country'.

Son 'wasted his substance with riotous living.'

Son fell on hard times in 'that country'.

Son longed to return to his fathers house, and composes his repentance...

......'I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
And am no more worthy to be called thy son:'




Grendel,

Sounds to me like a case of repentance, and before he returned home to his fathers house.       Wink




Luke 15:11
And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12  And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13  And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
14  And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15  And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16  And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
17  And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
18  I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19  And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20  And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21  And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22  But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23  And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24  For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25  Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26  And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27  And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28  And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29  And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30  But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31  And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32  It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.




Grendel,

I will try and have a look at the info at link you posted.


Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male
Re: Christians' relationships with Infidels
Reply #19 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 1:29pm
 
This is a bit of a strange tangent...  can i suggest it goes to the spirituality forum
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male
Re: Christians' relationships with Infidels
Reply #20 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 2:48pm
 
Ah...  repentence... do you think I never mentioned it?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print