abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13^th, 2009 at 8:07pm:



When grand muftis make strategic alliances with hegemonic dictators - then it is time to treat islam as a political force and not a reliogious one. So all this 'respect for religion' crap is orf.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13^th, 2009 at 9:28pm:


So what's all this nonsense about respect for religion, rioting over cartoons and carrying on like pork chops when people don't like your political agenda? What's with cries of islamophobia when people are not buying your political program?

I don't want islam to manage the affairs of any people within six degrees of separation from me. Political Islam is bad news for adherents and opponents alike. It is as objectionable a political system as any monstreous regime you care to mention.  Politically it is poison.



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It's the mufti that counts.
Nobody cares about the mufti of Wuduistan talking to the yak herders.

you are completelly off topic abu.

only muslims like islam, everyone else detests it.

But a great many Muslims have rioted and burned down embassies.

that is not an insignificant thing Aboo.

No it isn't....  get real...  how many terrorist took down the Twin towers?

Once you get over a certain magnitude no number is small.

Tens of thousands in a square in Iran...  not the total population but it isn't a small amount no matter how you look at it.

Oh and just because everyone isn't there doesn't mean there are not many many more with similar beliefs or intent.

If there are 1.6billion Muslims in the world and only 30% are radicals then that is 480,000,000...  NOT a small number.

If there are just  10 Muslim countries where the majority have a radical view of the world  that is 10 too many.

If 30% of Muslims are radical and 70% either support them or do nothing...  then that IS a BIG problem.

BTW, I don't see where I blamed you for anything directly Aboo is that another lie.

Grendel wrote on Mar 14^th, 2009 at 7:23am:


What individual muslims do or do not do matter far less than what ISLAM tells them to do. Which is, in every situation, in every country since Islam began - attack, destroy and over-throw all other nations, all other cultures, all other people and have Islam rule alone.

Like every army for every soldier in the field there are 100 people behind him backing him up, paying his wages, giving him maps, giving him training, or even - being on committees like Abu probably is to manage propaganda in the West.  So don't think just because there are 20 or so people in Mumbai that were shooting the place up that this was all that was involved in the attacks. Millions of muslims support Lashka E-Toiba with their cash donations, many of whom are in the Pakistani military.

I caught a cab into work today, and the driver was a Philliippino from Moro, a Catholic. He was 52 now, and he said that when he was 16, Muslims captured his uncle's farm, and beheaded his uncle, aunty, and all the kids. As part of a jihad. He said that he wanted to get guns and kill those responsible, but his father stopped him, saying, Christians turn the other cheek and 'Let God deal with them.' He said that those responsible were over the next few years killed by the Phillippino Army.

He said to me though, the people in Australia don't realise that with an Islamic community, they could have a jihad at any time. He said 'Whenever something happens they don't like, the muslims can have a jihad and people die. In the Phillippines it was just like here in Australia, muslims living nearby and are your neighbours, you chat to them and you think hey no problem with Islam. We knew friends who were muslims, we wave hello, no problem. Then one day, the mosques all say jihad to the people, and they come to try to kill us all. The people who used to smile at you now want to kill you. We have to flee, and then the army comes and big trouble. People here don't know, but it will happen here too. You need to stop all Islamic immigration - no  more here -it is too dangerous.'

I agree with him. Speak to any Christian from Nigeria or Lebanon and they will say the same thingss.

yawn rotflmao...  sorry Aboo my point had nothing to do with you just your claim re numbers.

I guess then according to you Aboo the appearance of any radical Muslim is just idle speculation.  They are really all just good-guys and totally sane and justified in any stance they take.  again this is just your stance since you are a brainwashed biased Muslim who supports fellow Muslims no matter what they do.