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UK: Multiculturalism has failed, Grieve says
Mar 10th, 2009 at 4:14pm
 
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Dominic Grieve: Society damaged by Labour's politically correct policies on multiculturalism


By Martin Beckford, Religious Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 3:56PM GMT 04 Mar 2009

Mr Grieve, the shadow justice secretary, claims the regulation of private opinions and public debate have left people unable to say what they think is right or wrong.

He believes Britain is suffering an "identity breakdown" after a decade in which the Government has destroyed respect for the country's history and culture.

And he warns that the failure to discuss multiculturalism by mainstream political groups has been exploited by the far-right British National Party, which is now taking council seats across the country.

His comments come a week after Hazel Blears, the Communities Secretary, said people must be free to discuss contentious issues without fear of "over-reaction".

But speaking at the Lord Smith of Clifton Lecture at Queen Mary, University of London, Mr Grieve said: "In fact if she is serious, she is heralding a U-turn on 12 years of Labour policy.

"A decade of ranking people as members of neatly categorised ethnic, religious or social groups, rather than treating everyone as an individual in their own right."

He highlighted the cases of Caroline Petrie, the nurse suspended for offering to pray for a patient, and Jennie Cain, the school receptionist whose five-year-old daughter was scolded for talking about Hell to another girl, as examples to "disproportionate reactions" that damage "the worthy cause of promoting harmony".

Mr Grieve went on: "At the other extreme, the lack of a credible response from the mainstream right to the current issues of multiculturalism has now left a gap, which is being filled by extremist voices. UKIP and the British National Party have taken advantage to suggest policies not based on a reasoned morality but which play on fear and encourage hatred.

"The zealous regulation of conduct, the imposition of state-defined orthodoxy on public and private conscience and the overburdening of law and regulation, have the consequence of undermining that confidence and are deterring participation and engagement.

"Increasing prescription is robbing us of our ability to decide ourselves what is right and wrong.

"Indeed the reluctance to exercise reasonable judgment and to criticise or challenge negative cultural imports into our country, including discriminatory practises against women and corrupt political and electoral practises, is one of the most troubling consequences of a culture that wishes to avoid offence and accusations of racism.

"Multiculturalism was intended to create a more cohesive and friendlier society by facilitating bringing people together. But instead the laws and concepts underlying it seem to me to drive people apart endangering our traditional sense of community based on commons values.

"I am convinced that this approach has hindered more recent immigrants to this country developing a sense of belonging. Faced with a society that seems to be suffering an identity breakdown, should we be surprised that they find a common identity with their fellow countrymen hard to identify?"


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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/4934169/Dominic...
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Re: UK: Multiculturalism has failed, Grieve says
Reply #1 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 4:18pm
 
BNP's take on it:

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Tory Frontbencher Admits: Multiculturalism Has Failed and Conservatives Have No Policies


Tory immigration spokesman Mr Dominic Grieve (image alongside) has admitted that multiculturalism has failed and that his party has no policies whatsoever to redress the problem.

The shocking admission of the utter bankruptcy of the Conservative Party on immigration, was made by its most senior spokesman on the topic, Mr Grieve, at a lecture at Queen Mary, University of London yesterday.

“Multiculturalism was intended to create a more cohesive and friendlier society by facilitating bringing people together,” Mr Grieve said. “But instead the laws and concepts underlying it seem to me to drive people apart endangering our traditional sense of community based on common values.”

After damning his own party’s policies of the last thirty years, Mr Grieve then went on to make his admission that the Tories have no clue how to solve the problem.

“The lack of a credible response from the mainstream right to the current issues of multiculturalism has now left a gap, which is being filled by . . . the British National Party,” the Tory spokesman said, interspersing his remarks with the usual knee-jerk meaningless anti-BNP rhetoric.

Although Mr Grieve may have thought he was being clever with his remarks, they will be seen by the public for exactly what they are: an admission by the most senior Tory spokesman that his own party’s social policies have caused division and that they have no answer to the problems they have created.

Instead of drawing the logical conclusion that his party’s policies have been a disaster, Mr Grieve then went on to demand even more “integration and interaction between different groups in society,” adding that “Greater diversity within our society must be recognised and applauded.”

The Tories - more of the same as Labour.  Only the British National Party offers a real alternative to the Tweedledee Tweedledum other parties.


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Re: UK: Multiculturalism has failed, Grieve says
Reply #2 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 5:17pm
 
I'm beginning to understand more about the doctrine of multiculturalism lately.  It was introduced for a reason and it's actual origins are linked to an agenda of the world's most elite and greedy people to protect their interests.

This article is a bit over the top - but I can't find the right one I need at the moment.  Extract...The Caliphate vs Multiculturalism

Multiculturalism is Western culture on a starvation diet. Whether calculated or not, it creates a deprivation and a hunger that winds up ultimately being filled by foreign cultures and beliefs. This vacuum of culture and faith, this starvation diet for the mind and the soul, creates an inferiority complex among liberals in the west, a complex that insures hatred for their society and a desire to identify with outsiders, even its enemies.

Browsing through the websites of liberal churches and temples one finds extensive celebrations of other people’s religions. Studies of Islam, Buddhism and everything but their own actual faiths. Diversity is the priority in the new salad bar of civilizations. Two hundred Guatemalans emigrating to the United States is met with joy, but if two hundred Irish were to make the same trip, no one would much care. The story of the 55 member black congregation that converted in Cairo, Illinois is all the talk of the press, yet if 55 Jews were to join a synagogue, what Reform synagogue would care or even accept them if they lacked the means. Despite the blatant failures of multiculturalism, in America, Europe and Israel the cry goes up for more diversity.

America has long ago prioritized immigration from the Third World over immigration from the West, leading to a bizarre situation in which the United States takes in hundreds of thousands of people with no job skills and heavy social services needs while hardworking Irish immigrants in New York remain illegal, because their quota is ridiculously small. Meanwhile the actual Ireland is busy transforming itself into the New Ireland, a vision of Ireland that is no longer Irish in order to accommodate the tide of African immigrants. In Israel and America, the key Jewish social services venture is not aid for those displaced by expulsion and war, but lobbying to bring a million Ethiopians to Israel. In France Sarkozy is backing away away from his pledge to crack down on illegal third world immigrants. The pattern stays true everywhere.

If you starve people long enough of anything to feel pride in and find meaningful that is their own, they inevitably develop an inferiority complex, a state of mind that devalues what is their own and celebrates diversity not out of a genuine appreciation of other cultures, but out of a lack of their own culture.

Multiculturalism is the West’s cultural anorexia, a mental disease masquerading as a moral cause, a culture forever trapped in looking in the mirror and seeing its own bloated corruption like an inverted Dorian Gray, seeing evils that are not there and others that are laughable in contrast with the brutal dictatorships of Islam.

If the West is suffering from anorexia, Islamism is the obsessive eater, gorging on everything in sight. The West has a fear of power but the East has a fear of powerlessness, their destructive collision forms a grotesque abusive relationship as the Islamists devour Western civilization while the multicultural apologists make excuses for them all the while.

Is it any wonder that having to choose between life in a multicultural society and an Islamist one, Muslims in the West ultimately choose the Islamist way? After all who would willingly choose to starve when they can feast? The lack of self-respect that multiculturalism shows its own society and culture only confirms to Western Muslims that there is no reason or basis for respecting it. The Caliphate emerges for them as a strong and appealing vision, all the more so because it is a myth and can never be realized. And best of all there is no reason to choose, because multiculturalism’s fatal flaw is that it is willing to tolerate and give ground to even the beliefs that call for its destruction.

And so Muslims in the West can work as doctors, socialize, marry, receive benefits and have access to everything Western society has to offer while still supporting terrorism and Jihad. And it is no wonder, multiculturalism allows them to receive all the benefits of Western living while still being true to the Muslim code of conquering the Dar Al Harb. This makes the multicultural vision of promoting a moderate Islam or a reformed Islam laughable. After all why should Islam reform as long as it’s winning?


http://www.israpundit.com/2007/?p=7171
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Re: UK: Multiculturalism has failed, Grieve says
Reply #3 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 6:07pm
 
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The Caliphate emerges for them as a strong and appealing vision, all the more so because it is a myth and can never be realized.


Quite laughable, especially since the Caliphate was realised for well over 1300 years, longer in fact than any other state system known to man.
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Quite laughable, especially since the Caliphate was realised for well over 1300 years, longer in fact than any other state system known to man.


Yes that comment seemed a bit strange Abu.  I didn't post the article because of the reference to Muslims - I basically wanted to point out this World Order conspiracy in which it appears all roads lead to. 

I should have just quoted a couple of paragraphs which were fairly descriptive, possibly exaggerated - but interesting nonetheless.
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Re: UK: Multiculturalism has failed, Grieve says
Reply #5 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 8:16pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10th, 2009 at 6:07pm:
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The Caliphate emerges for them as a strong and appealing vision, all the more so because it is a myth and can never be realized.


Quite laughable, especially since the Caliphate was realised for well over 1300 years, longer in fact than any other state system known to man.



abu, when we discussed flags you told me that there were few different caliphates. Which one of them was realised for well over 1300 years?

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Reply #6 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 9:42pm
 
tallow,

Just because there were different periods/dynasties of the Caliphate, does not mean it did not last for 1300 years.

Rashidi -> Umawi -> Abbasi -> Uthmani

Go learn some history.
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Reply #7 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 10:30pm
 
And did these dynasties each rule over all the Musulmans of their respective periods?  No. But isn't the  caliphate the one kingdom that rules them all (muslims)?
That has never happened since Mohammed died.



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Reply #8 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 11:00pm
 
British born, er... muslims convicted for supplying terrorists.
Look at these faces. They just look THICK. You can almost hear them. Whatever these types might ever come to dominate will go to the dogs within a very, very short time.
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Reply #9 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 11:05pm
 
Although a Caliphate must strive to rule over all Muslims, not achieving as such, would not make it invalid, in the least.

That's a false condition of your own forging.

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That has never happened since Mohammed died.


Just to show how inaccurate your [mis]information is, the 4 Caliphs (ie. The Rashidis) after Muhammad (pbuh) all ruled over a united Caliphate. As did the Umawis or most of their time, as did the Abbasis for some of their time.
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Re: UK: Multiculturalism has failed, Grieve says
Reply #10 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 11:08pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10th, 2009 at 11:05pm:
Although a Caliphate must strive to rule over all Muslims, not achieving as such, would not make it invalid, in the least.

That's a false condition of your own forging.



So you can have a calphate of 2? Is it just a matter of thriving?

Or is it just another word for a managable juristidction and nothing more. Like a kingdom, say.



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Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 7:10am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10th, 2009 at 9:42pm:
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Just because there were different periods/dynasties of the Caliphate, does not mean it did not last for 1300 years.
Go learn some history.


The same can be said about Pharaoh's Egypt and Rule of Rome but of course it means that your remark
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is either islamic ignorance or islamic lie so instead of telling me to "Go learn some history" cut of your muslim lies and learn history yourself.

BTW, this is not the first time your lack of historical knowledge and your islamic lies were exposed for which you banned me from your pet islamist board but your jihad of lies have failed. Wink



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The same can be said about Pharaoh's Egypt and Rule of Rome but of course it means that your remark


They didn't keep the same ideology/ruling system. The Caliphate is an ideology/ruling system, that's what we're talking about. Not the fact they were located in the same city, or region or spoke the same language.
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Reply #13 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 11:41am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11th, 2009 at 8:34am:
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The same can be said about Pharaoh's Egypt and Rule of Rome but of course it means that your remark


They didn't keep the same ideology/ruling system. The Caliphate is an ideology/ruling system, that's what we're talking about. Not the fact they were located in the same city, or region or spoke the same language.


We are talking about "state system".
Pharaoh's Egypt kept the same state system longer then caliphate.


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Reply #14 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 7:55pm
 

Actually few people realise that even though the term "Pharaoh" is applied to all ancient Egyptian rulers. The term itself was only ever used during a very brief period of the New Kingdom, specifically, during the middle of the eighteenth dynasty.

It was not as continuous a state system as you might like to believe. It underwent massive changes in state structure, religion and ideology from dynasty to dynasty.
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