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Reply #30 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:42am
 
You have to remember that Aboo is a biased ignorant muslim who needs to blame others to justify and vindicate his beliefs and the murderers from his religion.

This is not the same thing as Islamic Jihad.

This is Christian vs Christian for starters.  Quite happy to concede they are lunatic Christians.  But that doesn't mean they are doing it for their religion.  Obviously they are not since both sides have the same religion.

They are from different churches though.  But the main issue is Nationalism.  It just happens to be that one nation and the other have different churches.

There is no global support for them from Christianity and they cannot use the bible or quotes from it to support or justify their behaviour.

So Aboo...  nice try but you are barking up the wrong tree.
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Reply #31 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:43am
 
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Where is the example of ISLAM as benevolent victors?


Do you call what the allies did to Dresden 'benevolent'? Give me a break.

As for benevolent Islamic conquests, let's start with Makkah. After years of oppression, torture, expulsion and confiscation of their possessions, the Muslims conquered Makkah peacefully, and forgave all the bitterest enemies of Islam, most of whom embraced Islam upon seeing it's mercy and forgiving spirit.

How about Jerusalem? Constantinople? How about Salah'ud-deen's benevolence towards the Christians? This is well known throughout Europe.
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Reply #32 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:49am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:26am:
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In the example of WWII, when the 'Christian' nations, led by the USA and Britain eventually prevailed, the have not stayed as occupiers of either Germany, or Japan


Japan was occupied after WWII, some parts of it physically up until 1971, and even today over 47.000 U.S troops still remain in Japan (more than in Afghanistan), but it's not occupied... of course not... shhhh don't tell anyone anyway.



abu,

Of course you are correct.
/sarc off



And still today, every time the US ambassador in Japan has an audience with the Japanese emperor, the Japanese emperor kneels, and bows down to the ground before his master.

And Japan still today, sends tribute [Jizya] in gold to the USA, just so the USA won't be provoked to nuke Japan again.
/sarc off




"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029






abu,

Your logic, in the arguments you present, is always so obtuse.


Dictionary,
obtuse = =
1 annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
2 (of an angle) more than 90° and less than 180°.
3 not sharp-pointed or sharp-edged; blunt.







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Reply #33 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:51am
 
ha ha ha...  shot down in flames, can't form an argument.

hey aboo, I bet there are blonde haired people on either side...  why don't you claim Blonde militants kill..  rotflmao  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #34 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:51am
 
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There is no global support for them from Christianity...


I see..

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Reply #35 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 11:04am
 
So why, after 65 years, do they still have more troops stationed there than they do in Afghanistan? A country they've been at war with for the past 8 years?

Why is Japan still not able to form it's own military? Funnily enough Germany's troop numbers are limited also (not the same as Japan's though). It's not under occupation though, of course not.

And of course, U.S occupation... oops I mean friendly-visiting-soldiers who often go around raping Japanese women do so on personal leave, not whilst stationed there occupying the country  Grin

"...The US military is investigating another allegation that a soldier sexually assaulted a woman on the southern island of Okinawa, as Washington and Tokyo strive to keep anger over crimes by US troops from damaging broader ties..."

"...Last week, a 38-year-old Marine, Tyrone Hadnott, was arrested on suspicion of raping a 14-year-old girl on Okinawa, an incident that has rekindled memories of the 1995 rape of a 12-year-old girl on the island..."

"...Four Marines at Iwakuni Marine Corps Air Station are also being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman last October and could face court martial for the crime..."


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Reply #36 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 11:16am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11th, 2009 at 10:43am:
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Where is the example of ISLAM as benevolent victors?


Do you call what the allies did to Dresden 'benevolent'? Give me a break.


Errr, Dresden, err, it was war zone.

Duh.







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As for benevolent Islamic conquests, let's start with Makkah. After years of oppression, torture, expulsion and confiscation of their possessions, the Muslims conquered Makkah peacefully, and forgave all the bitterest enemies of Islam, most of whom embraced Islam upon seeing it's mercy and forgiving spirit.

How about Jerusalem? Constantinople? How about Salah'ud-deen's benevolence towards the Christians? This is well known throughout Europe.



Lies.

Sorry abu, after the fact, muslim historical accounts of their own 'benevolence' towards their victims, don't qualify as credible.

Never have, never will.

"In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/001.qmt.html#001.001




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IF THIS IS HOW MUSLIMS TREAT OTHER MUSLIMS,
....CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW THEY TREAT 'UNBELIEVERS'???

http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/HamasKillFatah.jpg

Hamas (the party of "Islamic Resistance") parades several Palestinian
men through the neighborhood before shooting them to death in front of
their wives and children
.  Afterwards, the gunmen kneel in prayer to Allah!
iConstantinople?

Yes abu, i often visit that great Christian cathedral in Istanbul, Turkey.
Where Christians are still so welcome.
/sarc off

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Hagia Sophia....is a former patriarchal basilica, later a mosque, now a museum in Istanbul, Turkey.
Famous in particular for its massive dome, it is considered the epitome of Byzantine architecture.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Aya_sofya.jpg/250px-Aya_sofya.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia





Secular Turkey, where Christians are always treated so well by their muslim brothers.....

Google,
christians murdered turkey
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=christians+murdered+turkey&btnG=Search&m...

only 200k hits.




And don't get me started on the 'benevolent' ISLAMIC conquest of Jerusalem.






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Reply #37 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 12:10pm
 
Like I said...  THERE IS NO GLOBAL SUPPORT FROM CHRISTIANITY.

ROTFLMAO  how pathetic even for you.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #38 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 2:01pm
 
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Errr, Dresden, err, it was war zone.


The war was largely over, the city was packed with refugees, it was pure revenge, there was very little strategic benefit to it. Let us not forget the bombings of Tokyo and the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, quite benevolent indeed. Hundreds of thousands of civilians instantly fried to death, real benevolent. And just as many more were bombed into oblivion during the bombing of Tokyo (Unexploded U.S. bombs were still being found and recovered in Tokyo as late as 2008).

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The Nazi Holocaust was among the most evil genocides in history. But the Allies’ firebombing of Dresden and nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were also war crimes... We are all capable of evil and must be restrained by law from committing it.
(Dr. Gregory H. Stanton, international lawyer and president of Genocide Watch)

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Yes abu, i often visit that great Christian cathedral in Istanbul, Turkey.


So why is it that even until this day the head of the Greek Orthodox Church is still in Constantinople?

Although there are some rumoured accounts of slaughtering after the conquest, the fact is the Ottomans were quite benevolent when they took over the city, and allowed anyone who wished to, to remain, in peace. And yes turning the church into a mosque was wrong, but I never claimed they were perfect.

Generally Muslims did not turn churches into mosques, unlike Christians, who did not leave a single mosque for instance in ALL of the Iberian peninsula, around about the same time. Nor did they leave a single Muslim actually, for that matter. When you compare Europe/Christianity, with Islam, during that same period, look at the mercy, tolerance and benevolence the Muslims had for Christians and Jews, compared to the evil tyrannical actions of the Christians. The parallel between Iberia and Anatolia is an interesting one, because it happened around the same period, and because it was the reverse, not just in the positions of the two faiths, but also in their treatment of one another.

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And don't get me started on the 'benevolent' ISLAMIC conquest of Jerusalem.


When you compare it to the Christian conquest, it was a picnic. Compare it first to the Roman conquest prior to Islam, and then to the Crusader conquest after Islam. Both European conquests of Jerusalem were extremely bloody and destructive, the Islamic conquest doesn't even compare.
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Reply #39 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 7:01pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11th, 2009 at 2:01pm:
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Errr, Dresden, err, it was war zone.


The war was largely over, the city was packed with refugees, it was pure revenge, there was very little strategic benefit to it. Let us not forget the bombings of Tokyo and the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, quite benevolent indeed. Hundreds of thousands of civilians instantly fried to death, real benevolent. And just as many more were bombed into oblivion during the bombing of Tokyo (Unexploded U.S. bombs were still being found and recovered in Tokyo as late as 2008).

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The Nazi Holocaust was among the most evil genocides in history. But the Allies’ firebombing of Dresden and nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were also war crimes... We are all capable of evil and must be restrained by law from committing it.
(Dr. Gregory H. Stanton, international lawyer and president of Genocide Watch)

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Yes abu, i often visit that great Christian cathedral in Istanbul, Turkey.


So why is it that even until this day the head of the Greek Orthodox Church is still in Constantinople?

Although there are some rumoured accounts of slaughtering after the conquest, the fact is the Ottomans were quite benevolent when they took over the city, and allowed anyone who wished to, to remain, in peace. And yes turning the church into a mosque was wrong, but I never claimed they were perfect.

Generally Muslims did not turn churches into mosques, unlike Christians, who did not leave a single mosque for instance in ALL of the Iberian peninsula, around about the same time. Nor did they leave a single Muslim actually, for that matter. When you compare Europe/Christianity, with Islam, during that same period, look at the mercy, tolerance and benevolence the Muslims had for Christians and Jews, compared to the evil tyrannical actions of the Christians. The parallel between Iberia and Anatolia is an interesting one, because it happened around the same period, and because it was the reverse, not just in the positions of the two faiths, but also in their treatment of one another.

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And don't get me started on the 'benevolent' ISLAMIC conquest of Jerusalem.


When you compare it to the Christian conquest, it was a picnic. Compare it first to the Roman conquest prior to Islam, and then to the Crusader conquest after Islam. Both European conquests of Jerusalem were extremely bloody and destructive, the Islamic conquest doesn't even compare.






abu,

Above is your point of view, your opinion of ISLAM.




My own point of view, my opinion of ISLAM, is expressed here.....

"Christian militants kill U.K soldiers"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1236559378/27#27




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Reply #40 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 7:49pm
 

In other words you agree, that Islam has a far more benevolent history than your own Christianity?

Thanks.
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Reply #41 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 8:05pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11th, 2009 at 7:49pm:
In other words you agree, that Islam has a far more benevolent history than your own Christianity?

Thanks.




abu,

That may be your opinion.

Dream on!!!          Grin



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Reply #42 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 9:20pm
 

It's the only conclusion one could draw from your failure to address my points.

But don't be down about it, just ponder it, and see if it actually fits in with what you're peddling about Islam and Christianity.
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Reply #43 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 9:38pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11th, 2009 at 9:20pm:
It's the only conclusion one could draw from your failure to address my points.

But don't be down about it, just ponder it, and see if it actually fits in with what you're peddling about Islam and Christianity.





abu,

I study the Koran and Hadith.

I look at what muslims do in the world every day, and i read the placards which they carry in the street protests, in their host nations.






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abu,

Its not rocket science.

Read ISLAMIC doctrine.

ISLAM is a supremacist political movement, seeking worldly political power.





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Reply #44 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 9:41pm
 

more slogans and quotes by whackos like khomeini.

As long as it satisfies your 'intellect', why not.
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