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abu_rashid

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Christianity should have a strong role in Britain
Mar 5^th, 2009 at 9:22pm

79 per cent of Muslims say Christianity should have strong role in Britain

Nearly 80 per cent of Muslims say life in Britain should be guided by Christianity, according to a poll.

By Nick Allen
Last Updated: 6:43PM GMT 24 Feb 2009

Hands holding rosary beads: 79 per cent of Muslims say Christianity should have strong role in Britain The proportion of Muslims who agreed (79 per cent) was higher than for Christians themselves (70 per cent) Photo: GETTY

People were asked to agree or disagree with the statement "Our laws should respect and be influenced by UK religious values".

The proportion of Muslims who agreed (79 per cent) was higher than for Christians themselves (70 per cent).

The ComRes poll for the BBC appeared to contradict calls by some politicians to remove faith from the public arena.

Hindus (74 per cent) also gave more support than Christians to a strong role in public life for the UK's traditional, Christian religious values.

The results suggested that people of different religions would rather there is some kind of faith-based framework to life in Britain, even if it is not based on their own religion.

Several years ago the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, warned that Christianity was "all but vanquished" as the guiding principle for Britain's moral framework.

But, according to the poll, 91 per cent of Muslims agreed that religion "has an important role to play in public life" while 73 per cent of Christians also agreed.

Atheists have recently stepped up their campaign against the role of religion in public life, including using advertisements on the sides of buses.

But the poll suggested that, even with baptisms, church weddings and attendance at Sunday church services declining, people are unwilling for secularism to replace religion completely.

The poll also found that only 54 per cent of Christians and 52 per cent of Muslims agreed that the media reported their religion accurately.

Source: The Telegraph

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Re: Christianity should have a strong role in Britain
Reply #1 - Mar 5^th, 2009 at 9:29pm

People tend to believe a great many things, and they are not all positive.

There are many religious values that are useful for setting up a legal framework but they are not useful because they are religious as such.

The time for humanity to adopt reason as the primary driver for government and societal ethics still seems to be a little way off.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22083 A cat with a view	Re: Christianity should have a strong role in Britain Reply #2 - Mar 5^th, 2009 at 10:33pm ".....Christianity should have strong role in Britain" ....and ISLAM should not.
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Reply #3 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 7:15am

I guess that's the difference between Muslims and Christians Yadda. We believe any religious influence is better than none (even if it's not our religion). Muslims support Christianity being influential, because we see it as better than secularism/atheism dominating and turning the society completely Godless.

You'd prefer to see it completely Godless, than your rival being influential.

We are for God, you are for your own team.

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Reply #4 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 8:06am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 6^th, 2009 at 7:15am:

I guess that's the difference between Muslims and Christians Yadda. We believe any religious influence is better than none (even if it's not our religion). Muslims support Christianity being influential, because we see it as better than secularism/atheism dominating and turning the society completely Godless.
You'd prefer to see it completely Godless, than your rival being influential.
We are for God, you are for your own team.

Is it the reason why muslims like you, abu, refuse to directly condemn islamic terrorists?

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Reply #5 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 11:20am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 6^th, 2009 at 7:15am:

I guess that's the difference between Muslims and Christians Yadda. We believe any religious influence is better than none (even if it's not our religion).
Muslims support Christianity being influential, because we see it as better than secularism/atheism dominating and turning the society completely Godless.

You'd prefer to see it completely Godless, than your rival being influential.

We are for God, you are for your own team.

All gather around. All gather around.

Hear ye! Hear ye!

Listen to the words of....

abu, the tolerant muslim.

Wow!

What a lair you are!

What [not] a surprise!

abu,

Your own religious texts, give witness before God
, to your lies and your treacherous words.

You muslims insist that ONLY muslims are the 'properly guided'.

But is he who is on a path of lies and deception, a person who is 'properly guided'???

Guided by who abu?

Hadith....

Muslim friendship towards Christians?

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

Koran....

Muslim friendship towards Christians?

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

[i.e. is an unbeliever]
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029

Muslim friendship towards Christians?

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other......"

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029

"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.073
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/066.qmt.html#066.009

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Repeat after me,

"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

25 May 2007
"......Al-Faisal spent years travelling the UK preaching racial hatred urging his audience to kill Jews, Hindus and Westerners.
......But throughout the trial he denied he had intended to incite people to violence.
......he argued his talks came from the Koran and if he was on trial so was the holy text."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6692243.stm

Repeat after me,

"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT.
.....And i am an ISLAMIST dupe.
.....And yet, i am happy to act as an apologist for HOMICIDAL MANIACS, because they constantly assure me that they really are my friends."

February 5, 2008
70-year-old woman, convert from Islam to Christianity, burned to death in Bangladesh
....DHAKA, BANGLADESH (BosNewsLife)-- Christian villagers in a Muslim-majority area of Bangladesh on Tuesday, February 5, mourned the death of a 70-year-old woman who died from burns she suffered when a mob reportedly set her home ablaze as a punishment for converting from Islam to Christianity.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019813.php

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abu,

Who are the 'rightly guided'?

Deceivers?

"Those who believe and obscure not their belief by wrongdoing, theirs is safety; and they are rightly guided."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/006.qmt.html#006.082

and,

"Is he, then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring, so that he looks upon it as good, (equal to one who is rightly guided)? For Allah leaves to stray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So let not thy soul go out in (vainly) sighing after them: for Allah knows well all that they do!"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/035.qmt.html#035.008

All of you [thinking of becoming] wicked ppl, be warned!

Allah is watching you.

and,

"And he whose sight is dim to the remembrance of the Beneficent, We assign unto him a devil who becometh his comrade;
And lo! they surely turn them from the way of Allah, and yet they deem that they are rightly guided;"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/043.qmt.html#043.036
v. 36, 37

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40822 Gender:	Re: Christianity should have a strong role in Britain Reply #6 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 11:51am Hi Abu, I prefer that any belief does not have political power. The religion and state should have very little to do with each other. belief is a voluntary personal thing, in my books.
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Reply #7 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 11:56am

I don't think it necessarily refers to political power sprint.

I think it''s speaking more about whether the "moral compass" of the nation is linked to belief in God or to atheistic hedonism.

Anyway, I know you love to espouse openness to make yourself seem more rational to atheists andd other non-Christians, but the simple fact is that atheism and general falling away from religion is leading society into moral decay. I know, you'll tell me "But I know many moral atheists", and I'm sure there's some, but generally society has spiralled downwards since falling away from religion, this is a fact, even some not-so-religious people can accept.

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Reply #8 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 12:17pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 6^th, 2009 at 11:56am:

I don't think it necessarily refers to political power sprint.

I think it''s speaking more about whether the "moral compass" of the nation is linked to belief in God or to atheistic hedonism.

Anyway, I know you love to espouse openness to make yourself seem more rational to atheists andd other non-Christians, but the simple fact is that atheism and general falling away from religion is leading society into moral decay. I know, you'll tell me "But I know many moral atheists", and I'm sure there's some, but generally society has spiralled downwards since falling away from religion, this is a fact, even some not-so-religious people can accept.

Wow!

abu,

Thank you.

Something that i can agree with you, about.

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Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.

Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #9 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 2:12pm

Quote:

Something that i can agree with you, about.

Most Christians who honestly look at Islam, and who get into serious discussions with Muslims, with a sincere intention to listen and connect with Muslims generally find there's a lot more commonality than there is reason for conflict and hatred. And of course the same thing goes the other way 'round.

Those who are interested in dialogue. on both sides are the sane rational people, those who are not, but instead just engage in illogical and fanatical ranting and raving are just loons who really don't deserve anyone's time of day. Up to each individual to make their choice about which class they fall into though..

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Reply #10 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 3:00pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 6^th, 2009 at 2:12pm:

Quote:

Something that i can agree with you, about.

Most Christians who honestly look at Islam, and who get into serious discussions with Muslims, with a sincere intention to listen and connect with Muslims generally find there's a lot more commonality than there is reason for conflict and hatred. And of course the same thing goes the other way 'round.

Those who are interested in dialogue. on both sides are the sane rational people, those who are not, but instead just engage in illogical and fanatical ranting and raving are just loons who really don't deserve anyone's time of day. Up to each individual to make their choice about which class they fall into though..

".....Most Christians who honestly look at Islam,"

....come to understand what ISLAM is, and come to understand who Allah is.

abu,

God doesn't need us.

Neither do we, need the world.

We need God.

God is LIGHT and TRUTH.

1 John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christianity should have a strong role in Britain Reply #11 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 3:11pm As I said.. either sane rational people or illogical and fanatical ranting and raving...
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Reply #12 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 3:17pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 6^th, 2009 at 2:12pm:

Quote:

Something that i can agree with you, about.

Most Christians who honestly look at Islam, and who get into serious discussions with Muslims, with a sincere intention to listen and connect with Muslims generally find there's a lot more commonality than there is reason for conflict and hatred. And of course the same thing goes the other way 'round.

Those who are interested in dialogue. on both sides are the sane rational people, those who are not, but instead just engage in illogical and fanatical ranting and raving are just loons who really don't deserve anyone's time of day. Up to each individual to make their choice about which class they fall into though..

The sane rational people believe in right of Israel to exist. Do you?

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40822 Gender:	Re: Christianity should have a strong role in Britain Reply #13 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 3:22pm Abu and yadda - I don't see that the world is coming apart at the seams because religion is not as controlling as it once was. The world is not becoming worse. few things have changed. There have always been wars, bad crimes, etc etc etc.
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Reply #14 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 3:34pm

Tallow,

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The sane rational people believe in right of Israel to exist. Do you?

The criteria for being considered sane and rational, is whether one accepts the rights of a 2% minority of a country to engage in massive illegal immigration of their co-religionists until they saturate the population, then form militias to take over the country, then herd the majority of the population into refugee camps... Yeh ok. Thanks for that pearl of wisdom.

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