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Taking 'heaven' by force???
Feb 27th, 2009 at 11:39am
 
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Taking 'heaven' by force???



These verses are an encouragement to muslims to Jihad, to strive for victory, and for the 'WAR BOOTY', which is Allah's 'gift' to muslims.

Allah has overcame the Jews & Christians, 'and cast terror into their hearts'.
Everything that the un-believers have, THEIR LANDS, their possessions, belongs to muslims!
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.025
v. 25 - 27



Allah's promise, to muslims.


The muslims will overcome the unbelievers.
And as each new land falls to the influence of ISLAM,
....the unbelievers must see who will win.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/021.qmt.html#021.043
v. 43 & 44



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abu_rashid wrote on Feb 26th, 2009 at 9:49pm:
Yadda, it's interesting that you quote from the book of Deuteronomy. Tell me did you ever read that book from start to finish?



Yes.





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Or do you just pick out the pieces that suit your agenda and leave aside those pieces that don't?

"Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof?" (Qur'an 2:85)

There's some interesting 'commands' from your Lord in that book about how to conduct yourself with the neighbouring cities and nations...



abu,

You [mistakenly?] misrepresent, God's intent, spoken in that book.

You portray such a text as a justification for muslim supremacism, and muslim world domination, and aggression.




abu,

I PROMISE YOU, you muslims will never, can never, take 'heaven' by force.   [Yadda smiles]

And the supposed intent [within Deuteronomy], which muslims point to [as a justification for their own conduct], was never the lesson being taught to mankind, in God's word [the Bible].

That book [Deuteronomy] speaks of the history of ancient Israel.

The ancient Israelites were coming into [taking possession of]
a
land, which God had promised to the descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob [Israel].

That account, in Deuteronomy also speaks of our future, IT IS PROPHETIC.

It speaks of when my God will take possession of 'his land' - on 'judgement day'.

Read on.




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Deuteronomy 20:10-18....

So this book you're quoting, which you seem to think is good for guidance and instruction on how to conduct oneself, we find that you should go to other nations and cities, proclaim "peace" to them,



abu,

Proclaim "peace"?

Let us compare, ancient Israel, with today's ISLAM, and how both have approached their [God's] 'enemies'.


Israel = = came to take possession of 'the promised land', and Israel declared their intent - OPENLY.

The children of Israel DECLARED TRUTHFULLY THEIR INTENT.
....."Surrender to God's people - OR ELSE!"


Muslims = = when they come into other lands, declare to their hosts,
....."ISLAM is peace, ISLAM is a tolerant religion."

Muslims use firstly lies, and deceit, and then lastly violence, in their attempt to destroy the culture of the host countries they enter, seeking finally to terrify their weakened 'enemy' into submission, and capitulation.


abu,

How appropriate, the particular Koran verse you quoted in your post....

"And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only. Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not."
(Qur'an 2:11-12)



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....and if they do not accept to live under you as tributaries, then put them to the sword, but not the women, children, cattle and EVERYTHING in the city, that what God has set aside as spoils for you. Not just that, but we see it is based upon people who believe in a different religion to you, their religions being classed as "abominations".

And when we look at the Judaeo-Christian nations in the world today, we find this is exactly how they behave to other religions, namely Islam. They come to Palestine, they come to Iraq, they come to Afghanistan, to Lebanon, to Libya, proclaim themselves to be peacemakers, and then proceed to lay waste to the cities, slaughtering the people en masse, and then carrying off all the riches for themselves. Nothing much has changed has it? It's quite obvious you are quoting the book of Deuteronomy, because you wholeheartedly believe in it. You just like to pretend you're all peaceful and benign.. nothing more evil than a snake in the grass.

"And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only. Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not." (Qur'an 2:11-12)



abu,

You give a very disingenuous account of Western culture/nations.

You know very well, that when muslims have come, seeking sanctuary, muslims have been warmly welcomed as 'poor' and 'oppressed' muslims into the hearts of these nations.

Muslims have been afforded, and enjoyed, all of the rights of full citizens.

While, as a 'reward' for the kindness of Western nations, muslim communities have hidden their intent, of muslim treachery.




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Re: Taking 'heaven' by force???
Reply #1 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 11:44am
 
CONTINUED FROM LAST POST.....



abu,

I speak here prophetically, when the wicked come into God's 'promised land' [on 'judgement day'], they will be shamed.

Their wickedness will be 'uncovered'.

Isaiah 26:10
Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.
11  LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.






abu,

As i spoke previously, my God, is the God of TRUTH.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He [the God of ISRAEL] is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.



abu,

Muslims tell lies, are treacherous,
.....and do they expect to go to paradise???

ROFLOL!

abu, I PROMISE YOU, we will all receive our just deserts.



Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4  Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.


Psalms 10:2
The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.
3  For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.
4  The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.


John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33  They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34  Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35  And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37  I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38  I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39  They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40  But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41  Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42  Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43  Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.





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One of my favourite Koran verses,

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.120




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Re: Taking 'heaven' by force???
Reply #2 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 1:06pm
 
I think Yadda is a few cans short of a six pack with his or her (its) religious scripture as a secuarlist..BUT....

I realise that I need, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus to ally to fight the muslim menace. So bring it on brother.

Also Yadda, I really did wish I believed what you did. I could say I did. I could go to Church. I just dont.

It's a bit like watching the muppets and pretending they are real, no matter how much you pretend, you just know its a group of Children's Television Workshop extras with their hands up some felt under the stage.
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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #3 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 1:17pm
 
Calanen wrote on Feb 27th, 2009 at 1:06pm:
I think Yadda is a few cans short of a six pack with his or her (its) religious scripture as a secuarlist..BUT....

I realise that I need, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus to ally to fight the muslim menace. So bring it on brother.

Also Yadda, I really did wish I believed what you did. I could say I did. I could go to Church. I just dont.

It's a bit like watching the muppets and pretending they are real, no matter how much you pretend, you just know its a group of Children's Television Workshop extras with their hands up some felt under the stage.





Calanen,

Yep, that is my 'burden'.

Only 3 cans, in this six-pack!!!         Grin




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Reply #4 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 6:50pm
 
The hypocrisy of abu and other muslims(?) is revealed whwn abu demands that disscussion is to be held only on his pet board where he can delete posts of his opponents or ban his opponents al together when he is confronted with facts, which don't suit muslim agenda.

Anyway, as far as allah is concerned he/she is not on the side of muslims at the moment. I wonder why? Is it because they falsified koran or is it something else?
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Reply #5 - Mar 1st, 2009 at 9:48am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 27th, 2009 at 11:39am:
...That book [Deuteronomy] speaks of the history of ancient Israel.....[Deuteronomy] also speaks of our future, IT IS PROPHETIC.

It speaks of when my God will take possession of 'his land' - on 'judgement day'.








The prophetic words in Deuteronomy, speak about the fate of the Children of Israel, God's 'chosen people'.

The Children of Israel, are a people 'chosen' [of God], TO BEAR AFFLICTIONS, for our [mankind's] sakes!

see also, how Israel becomes [are regraded as] a 'scapegoat', to mankind....
"Like as a woman with child...."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231830268/0#0




The Song of Moses, in Deuteronomy, details OUR judgement [not 'Israel's' judgement !!!], for forsaking our God.


Daniel 9:13
As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

The Song of Moses.
Deuteronomy 31:14-30
Deuteronomy 32:1-47

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu031.html#14

.....Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.
For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

.....When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

.....And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

.....I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the LORD hath not done all this.
For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!

.....For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone,

.....Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.






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CONTINUED FROM LAST POST.....





The Children of Israel have suffered affliction in the world, to 'prove' them.

But their latter fate [the fate of those who seek God] is stated as redemption, as they are reconciled to [redeemed by] their God.


Psalms 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.

Isaiah 40:1
Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
2  Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.

Isaiah 43:8
Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
9  Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10  Ye [Israel] are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen......

In that verse from Isaiah, we, ALL MANKIND, are the blind and the deaf!
And woe unto us [all mankind], on that day, when our God, gives us back, our 'sight' and our 'hearing'!
On that day, each of us, will 'see' plainly, who we are!
And on that day, there will be only two camps [among men], one camp containing the enemies of God, and one camp for 'his people'.



The redemption of God's people is coming.

Isaiah 44:8
Fear ye not [Israel], neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isaiah 44:21
Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
22  I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.



All these things were all foretold by Moses and the prophets.

".....The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land."


Jeremiah 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
7  Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.



"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."





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