Australian Politics Forum - The Pakistan problem

Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	The Pakistan problem Feb 23^rd, 2009 at 8:31pm If you missed 4corners on the ABC tonight I suggest you try really hard to watch the repeat. http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/ At the very least read this summary... http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2496178.htm
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52839 At my desk.	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #1 - Feb 23^rd, 2009 at 9:10pm I would be interested to hear which side Abu supports in this conflict.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #2 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 6:11am This will be a real eye opener for people unaware of what is happening there. Unfortunately it backs up what I already was aware of and more as I was not aware of all the problems in Islamabad and Karachi.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #3 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 6:25am I think the claims are over inflated, probably to make the U.S give them more aid and assistance. Quote: I would be interested to hear which side Abu supports in this conflict. I don't side with either, as neither of them represent what I believe in. Must I side with one?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #4 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 6:45am It was an independent ABC report... Did you actually watch it Aboo?
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Reply #5 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 6:50am

Talking about the situation in general, not the objectivity of the ABC report.

Most of their knowledge of the situation was fairly second hand. Either way, the Talibaan has been operating in Pakistan since their inception way back in the 1990's, and they even declared their own semi-autonomous state in Waziristan quite a long time ago... the agreement in Swat is certainly more proof of the recognition of the Pakistani government that they share their country with the Talibaan, but I really don't think there's anything that new going on. They simply want more funding to fight it, so they're playing up how much of a threat it is. The same threat has existed for years.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #6 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 7:04am Good grief... it wasn't a Telethon for Pakistan, it was an ABC 4Corners report. They happen to be amongst the most accurate and objective on TV. You didn't watch it did you? Why cant you just admit you didn't watch it. Oh right... that would mean you've been talking out of your other orifice again.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #7 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 7:15am For those who missed the premiere.... Pakistan on the Brink If it's all true, then Pakistan ain't exactly on the brink... It's just entered the S-bend.
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Reply #8 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 7:15am

Reporter Matthew Carney reports from "Pakistan on the Brink" - next on Four Corners, 8.30 pm Monday 23 February on ABC1. This program will be repeated on Tuesdays at 11.35 pm

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Pakistan on the Brink
Reporter: Matthew Carney

Broadcast: 23/02/2009

Talk to any major western leader and they will tell you Pakistan is a key ally in the war on terror. If that's true this week the President of Pakistan Asif Ali Zardari had some bad news for his strategic partners.

He told the world his police force and army has been unable to control Islamic extremists in his country, warning Pakistan had under-estimated the strength of the Taliban.

To judge just how bad the situation really is reporter MATTHEW CARNEY has travelled to key areas of Pakistan, teaming up with a senior local journalist to investigate the Taliban's expanding reign of terror.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #9 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 7:24am Or wait for the repeat Like in the olden days.
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Reply #10 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 9:50am

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2009 at 9:10pm:

I would be interested to hear which side Abu supports in this conflict.

FD,

Neither.

These ppl [in Pakistan] are not real muslims.

The only real muslims on the planet, are abu, and his small clique', living here in Australia.

abu and co, are being rightly guided by Allah, in their hope to proselytise all Australia, to their perfect religion,
....pure ISLAM.
/sarc off

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41496 Gender:	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #11 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:31am Abu - from your ambivilent deflective responses, I must assume you are ok with the taliban taking over. Why would you ever NOT be ok with islamics ?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 7519 Gender:	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #12 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:38am So taliban now has full responsibility for terrorist bases on the territory of the province?
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Reply #13 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:47am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:31am:

Abu - from your ambivilent deflective responses, I must assume you are ok with the taliban taking over.

Why would you ever NOT be ok with islamics ?

Never, ever.

Coz, to do so [to criticise another 'muslim'] is verboten within ISLAM.

Criticism of ISLAM, or other 'muslims, would be grounds for his brothers to suggest that he was an apostate, or a,
....oooh, aaaaar, a 'renegade'.

And we all know what Allah's the punishment is, for 'renegades' within ISLAM.

Koran,

"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time:
They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.060
v. 60, 61

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The Pakistan problem Reply #14 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 3:29pm bump... dont forget to watch it... You too Aboo. Just remember when you watch this the amount of times you've been told these sort of people are JUST a minority. Then think about the size of this minority and what they can do.
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Reply #15 - Mar 1^st, 2009 at 11:09pm

tallowood wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:38am:

So taliban now has full responsibility for terrorist bases on the territory of the province?

Yes, you might remember the other thread where I talked about Swat? Swat and Waziristan now under Taliban control. That's a lot of country.

Also, many in the Pakistani military and government are either ambivalent towards the Taliban or supportive of them. Musharref hated them, but he's gone now. The ISI has close links with the Taliban.

The Pakistani military has been known to provide fire support for the Taliban, and also, to perform fake operations for the benefit of US drones - like firing artillery into empty buildings, and say to the Americans - look we were clearing out Taliban! From time to time they grab low level people, kill a few here and there, but its an act to try to get as much money as they can from America.

Pakistan could easily flip into a sharia Taliban hell.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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