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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\02\18\story_18-2-2009_pg1_8
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024891.php





Those poor muslims being victimised again, in their own nations, by the wicked Kuffar.

We Kuffar have forced democracy onto the ppl of Pakistan, and that was very wrong of us to do it.
/sarc off

To anyone who thinks Muslims will not use violence to undermine democratic governance:

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In other words violence, or peace if they get to impose sharia law on people against their will - it's 'your choice'.

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2009 at 1:25pm:


FD,

Exactly.

The line goes,

..."ISLAM is peaceful. Therefore why are you complaining, when we only want to share our peace [impose Sharia] with you?"

And,

..."All of your cultural resistance to accepting Sharia ['peaceful' ISLAM], proves that it is you who are the violent ones. And therefore it is you who are responsible for the disharmony, and violence."

"If you would just stop resisting our implementation of Sharia in your society, you would enjoy 'peace' with us."





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For example do you [as a non-muslim] REALLY understand, how ISLAM / muslims define words like 'PEACE', 'AGGRESSION', and 'TOLERANCE' ???



Dictionary
lexicon = = the vocabulary of a person, language, or branch of knowledge.

Google,
Islam Lexicon for Dummies
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Islam+Lexicon+for+Dummies&btnG=Google+Se...

Islam 101: A Lexicon for Dummies

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34806

EXAMPLE ENTRIES.....

Aggression: Muslims never committed aggression, they only rightfully proselyte. [Aggression] Comes only from Israel and the USA, or their Allies since no possible wrongs can be attributed to Allah, His prophet or His Slaves (Muslims).

Peace: Submission to Allah is the only peace recognized in Islam. Anything else is worthy of justified retaliation. --''When Muslims say peace, they mean non-Muslims should be subdued and humiliated to the extent that they have no strength to rebel. Peace, according to Islam, is therefore achieved through subjugation'' (Ali Sina). Many Islamic flags show weapons.

Tolerance: Anything granted to the dhimmies under Islamic rule. For this tolerance, they do have to be duly humiliated by the Jizhya. ''The religion of Islam is one of tolerance, therefore, if he recants his Christian faith, he will not be executed.'' Ansarullah Mawlazezadah, Trial judge in the case of Abdul Rahman, an Afghani former medical aid worker and Christian convert from Islam.

Useful idiot: Said of people not conscient of being manipulated in order to agree a political agenda. Those who are convinced by the medias and other influences that Islam is indeed a 'religion of Peace'.






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Here with clarity, ISLAMIST 'logic' and 'intent', is explained,

"......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, CREATING OBSTACLES FOR THE DA'WA, ARE BLAMED FOR THIS STATE OF WAR, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE WHO RESIST ISLAM CAUSE WARS and are responsible for them.
.....Aggression is something only infidels do.
.....it is not seen as aggression or war when Muslims attack non-Muslims. On the contrary, it is seen as aggression when non-Muslims resist the Islamization of their lands and thus "place obstacles in the way" of the spread of Islam. They are defying the will of Allah.......subjugation to Islam alone can bring peace.....
......[To the ISLAMIST mind, 'aggression' is...] When non-Muslims do anything to preserve their culture and resist the Islamization of their country."
http://wolfgangbruno.blogspot.com/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html


cited here on OZ Pol,

"Girls, gaining a muslim 'education'...."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226526640/0#0

Oh, theres abu the consistant.
Still banging his drum over a terrorist led infestation.


Go away, we have the antidote.
Freedom.

Grendel,

Electing a leader and democracy are not the same thing.

A democratic system is one in which the people are involved in legislating the laws of the country. If the people decide to legalise prostitution then so be it. Islam forbids such a system. Prostitution for instance is always illegal, no matter what the people decide. No party could ever run for election with such a concept, and implementing such a law would result in the removal of a government, under Islam.

However, in common discourse, democracy is commonly associated with the process of electing a leader, but the two concepts are not exactly the same. In fact forms of democracy exist where no leader needs to be elected at all, such as direct democracy.

Grendel, what he means is that they can elect a leader, but only approved Muslims can run for leadership. I think only Muslims can vote. And the winner of the election only has a mandate to impose Sharia Law. In other words, some people get to vote, but the outcome is the same. It's just a different person doing it. It pretty much defeats the purpose of an election, so I don't think they actually bothered with them very often.

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Abu, isn't it in Pakistan?

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2009 at 11:56pm:


BWAHAHA.

Oh dear, it does seem that you are that tired...or perhaps just a bit thick boofy. Cause you clearly have no idea what a democracy is. Then again, I would be very surprised if you did...you know, with your limited capablilities and all.

But its funny watching you try to explain it. Carry on, I need a good laugh. :D:D

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Google,
IRAN mullahs corruption
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=IRAN+mullahs+corruption+&btnG=Google+Sea...


These Google hits, turn up some interesting information on these 'godly' men, and their government.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 20^th, 2009 at 9:53am:



abu,

On this forum you have 'laughed' at Saudi Arabia [Sunni ISLAM].

And you have 'mocked' Iran [Shia ISLAM].



abu,

Where are, all of the real muslims, who you and your fellow ISLAMISTS are so proud of?

AND, if these 'regimes' [above] in nominally muslim nations, are so ridden with fault and error [in applying ISLAM 'perfectly' ] shouldn't devout muslims such as yourself, be working WITHIN such regimes to make them a beacon of righteousness, for all of the world to want to emulate?

Instead of trying to teach we 'ignorant' Kuffar [within not perfect, but functioning societies], how to be perfect?

And why are you and your brothers, trying to impose your failed political philosophy upon us Kuffar , using deceit, lies, and violence?

Shouldn't you tell us all the bare TRUTH about ISLAM???i
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24 November, 2003
Work is torture for Sri Lanka maids
What makes Kusuma cry is not the memory of repeated assaults but the look on her children's faces when they saw her in hospital.
"After three months, I asked Madam for my salary and she started to beat me with iron bars and wooden sticks," the maid explains of her time in Saudi Arabia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3204297.stm






Abuse of the weak and the powerless [i.e. women, children] is not uncommon within all Sharia jurisdictions.


Google,
Saudi Arabia maid abuse
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Saudi+Arabia+maid+abuse&btnG=Google+Sear...






source of image....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/



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Proverbs 14:34



Psalms 146:5
Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God:
6  Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever:
7  Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The LORD looseth the prisoners:
8  The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:
9  The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.
10  The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the LORD.

Yadda,

Do you hold up the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as your example of Democracy? My guess is no, so why then expect me to defend a state I don't believe properly represents my beliefs? Because it suits your for argument to, no doubt?

Just because there's no legitimate example of Islam being implemented in the worlld today doesn't mean I must default to being a supporter of Saudi. If America or other democracies were destroyed, does that mean you must support DPRK?

The mistreatment that you mentioned of domestic servants is another example of why Saudi is such a corrupt and unIslamic society. Their oppression and mistreatment of non-Saudis (many of them Muslims mind you) is despicable and should be condemned by all Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

yawn

Thanks Yadda. I've been wondering how Irans political system works. The supreme leader looks like he is chosen in a similar way to our PM. The only directly undemocratic aspect is the vetting of candidates. It would be interesting to see how restrictive they are in practice.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 20^th, 2009 at 9:53am:


Abu is the Iranian system somehow reflective of Shia?

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Abu he does not attribute the status of Muslim nations to Islam because they have Islam in the title, but because the majority of citizens are Muslims and because of their actions.