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Re: "Islam does not allow democracy or elections,....
Reply #15 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:53am
 
Since there's no Shi'a here Yadda, attacking Iran's system probably isn't going to do you much good.

Most mainstream Muslims will probably agree with you about criticisms of the Iranian system.
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Reply #16 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 10:25am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:53am:
Since there's no Shi'a here Yadda, attacking Iran's system probably isn't going to do you much good.

Most mainstream Muslims will probably agree with you about criticisms of the Iranian system.



abu,

On this forum you have 'laughed' at Saudi Arabia [Sunni ISLAM].

And you have 'mocked' Iran [Shia ISLAM].



abu,

Where are, all of the real muslims, who you and your fellow ISLAMISTS are so proud of?

AND, if these 'regimes' [above] in nominally muslim nations, are so ridden with fault and error [in applying ISLAM 'perfectly' ] shouldn't devout muslims such as yourself, be working WITHIN such regimes to make them a beacon of righteousness, for all of the world to want to emulate?

Instead of trying to teach we 'ignorant' Kuffar [within not perfect, but functioning societies], how to be perfect?

And why are you and your brothers, trying to impose your failed political philosophy upon us Kuffar , using deceit, lies, and violence?

Shouldn't you tell us all the bare TRUTH about ISLAM???i
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24 November, 2003
Work is torture for Sri Lanka maids

What makes Kusuma cry is not the memory of repeated assaults but the look on her children's faces when they saw her in hospital.
"After three months, I asked Madam for my salary and she started to beat me with iron bars and wooden sticks," the maid explains of her time in Saudi Arabia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3204297.stm






Abuse of the weak and the powerless [i.e. women, children] is not uncommon within all Sharia jurisdictions.


Google,
Saudi Arabia maid abuse
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Saudi+Arabia+maid+abuse&btnG=Google+Sear...





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source of image....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/



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Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.



Psalms 146:5
Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God:
6  Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever:
7  Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The LORD looseth the prisoners:
8  The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:
9  The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.
10  The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the LORD.







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Reply #17 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 8:29pm
 
Guess you were embarrassed by your idiot friend lestat drawing more attention to your ignorance.

Too bad...

I'll wait till you can concoct another ill thought out strawman or more crap.
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Reply #18 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 10:43pm
 
Yadda,

Do you hold up the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as your example of Democracy? My guess is no, so why then expect me to defend a state I don't believe properly represents my beliefs? Because it suits your for argument to, no doubt?

Just because there's no legitimate example of Islam being implemented in the worlld today doesn't mean I must default to being a supporter of Saudi. If America or other democracies were destroyed, does that mean you must support DPRK?

The mistreatment that you mentioned of domestic servants is another example of why Saudi is such a corrupt and unIslamic society. Their oppression and mistreatment of non-Saudis (many of them Muslims mind you) is despicable and should be condemned by all Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
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Reply #19 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 8:00am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 20th, 2009 at 8:29pm:
Guess you were embarrassed by your idiot friend lestat drawing more attention to your ignorance.

Too bad...

I'll wait till you can concoct another ill thought out strawman or more crap.



Actually, I was drawing attention to your ignorance, but it doesn't surprise me that your to thick to figure that out boofy.

Oh...and when you choose to use a term like 'strawman', it helps if you actually understand what it means.

Very entertaining boofy, very entertaining. Cheesy:D
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Reply #21 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 8:55am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 20th, 2009 at 10:43pm:
...Their oppression and mistreatment of non-Saudis (many of them Muslims mind you) is despicable and should be condemned by all Muslims and non-Muslims alike.


I agree and  condemn Saudis senior official cleric Shaikh Abdul Rahman Al-Barraak who issued a fatwa in support of Taliban and Osama Ben Laden.
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Reply #22 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 10:24am
 
Thanks Yadda. I've been wondering how Irans political system works. The supreme leader looks like he is chosen in a similar way to our PM. The only directly undemocratic aspect is the vetting of candidates. It would be interesting to see how restrictive they are in practice.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:53am:
Since there's no Shi'a here Yadda, attacking Iran's system probably isn't going to do you much good.

Most mainstream Muslims will probably agree with you about criticisms of the Iranian system.


Abu is the Iranian system somehow reflective of Shia?

Quote:
Do you hold up the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as your example of Democracy?


Abu he does not attribute the status of Muslim nations to Islam because they have Islam in the title, but because the majority of citizens are Muslims and because of their actions.
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Re: "Islam does not allow democracy or elections,
Reply #23 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 1:49pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 20th, 2009 at 10:43pm:
Yadda,

Do you hold up the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as your example of Democracy?
My guess is no, so why then expect me to defend a state I don't believe properly represents my beliefs? Because it suits your for argument to, no doubt?

Just because there's no legitimate example of Islam being implemented in the worlld today doesn't mean I must default to being a supporter of Saudi. If America or other democracies were destroyed,
does that mean you must support DPRK?



What!

Why should i support the DPRK?

Duh!

Just because N. Korea have the word, 'Democratic', in the name of their country?





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The mistreatment that you mentioned of domestic servants is another example of why Saudi is such a corrupt and unIslamic society.
Their oppression and mistreatment of non-Saudis (many of them Muslims mind you) is despicable and should be condemned by all Muslims and non-Muslims alike.


abu,

Thank you for that rational statement.


AND MY SUBSEQUENT QUESTION IS.....

If muslims around the world can hold street protests [in their adoptive countries], for example,

  • When a school teacher calls a teddy bear 'Muhammad'.
  • Or when Danish cartoonists depict Muhammad in a cartoon.


Then why can't muslims around the world hold street protests [in their adoptive countries], against obvious injustices BEING DONE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM?




MY OWN ANSWER WOULD BE....

Because devout muslims are, ISLAM is, disingenuous towards all those who hold un-ISLAMIC views.

Dictionary,
disingenuous = = not candid or sincere, especially in pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Devout muslims are deceitful [in almost all of their dealings with non-muslims], and consistently set themselves, against all those who are rightly critical of the deception, the lies, and the violence, which is 'sanctified' [within ISLAM] and is being encouraged [from within ISLAM], against non-muslims, and all things un-ISLAMIC.





Devout muslims understand,
.....that they are at war with the un-ISLAMIC world.

But the majority of non-muslims do not yet understand,
.....that ISLAM [empowered by oil dollars] is conducting a cultural war, against the un-ISLAMIC world.

This war is more commonly referred to as JIHAD, or the Cause of Allah, the Way of Allah.

And this irrational behaviour [from muslims] won't stop, until ISLAM is stopped, or is somehow dis-empowered.






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ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOUR, MINDSET, WHICH ISLAM PROMOTES / PRODUCES.

Egyptian cleric: I am 'absolutely' calling to wage jihad against the Jews, who are devils in human form
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024945.php







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WAR #2

ISLAM demands intolerance of the Jahiliyya [an un-ISLAMIC] lifestyle.


"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE"
"It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya
which are current in the world
or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system........"
by SAYYID QUTB
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html


"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society



"Slavery"
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