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Reply #30 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 3:28am

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They know all the freedomss when it's marching on the US or israeli eembassy or the Australian parliament. but it is all gone as if it had neeveer entered their heads when it come to demostrating at thee Iranianm Iraqi, Afghan, Pakistani, Insian, thai, malaysian, indonesian, Algerian, Egyptian, Syrian embassies, not to mention the unimaginable - a march in solidarity with the innocents slaughtered by muslims.

Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia have made several demonstrations in Canberra, where they protested out the front of all those countries embassies and condemned them for their inhumane activities. I have seen a video of it. You simply don't look for such things, you're only interested in the other, and you know it.

So don't claim "if only", you're convinced all Muslims are guilty of every single crime by association, they are the "sea" in which the extremists swim in your thinking. Your claims of "if only" are cheap talk.

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Reply #31 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 9:11am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 3:28am:

soren,

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They know all the freedomss when it's marching on the US or israeli eembassy or the Australian parliament. but it is all gone as if it had neeveer entered their heads when it come to demostrating at thee Iranianm Iraqi, Afghan, Pakistani, Insian, thai, malaysian, indonesian, Algerian, Egyptian, Syrian embassies, not to mention the unimaginable - a march in solidarity with the innocents slaughtered by muslims.

Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia have made several demonstrations in Canberra, where they protested out the front of all those countries embassies and condemned them for their inhumane activities. I have seen a video of it. You simply don't look for such things, you're only interested in the other, and you know it.

So don't claim "if only", you're convinced all Muslims are guilty of every single crime by association, they are the "sea" in which the extremists swim in your thinking. Your claims of "if only" are cheap talk.

Well, the whole world versus you have seen a video - brilliant. It's all balanced out, then.

Muslims in western countries never protest about the savage tratment of muslims and others by the jihadi monsters. Never. I want to see muslims on George Street demanding the end of terrorist activities in the name of Islam.

Now there's somemthing really worthwhile for you to do.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Islamic TV Station Founder Beheads his wife Reply #32 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:10am You just claimed they don't protest outside those embassies, I just informed you they have already done so. Widen the goal posts all you like.
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Reply #33 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:23am

Well now you are being unfair Abu, you cite a video that shows muslims protesting outside embassies of Islamic countries, against their inhumane activities, yet I have never seen it, and I expect most others have not either, so to infer some conspiracy by us to suppress that information, is untrue, and unfair.

Now the news may not show it, and if so, how will we know.
If it is so rare, and on such a small scale, as to not attract public news reports, then it is time that the local muslim community, did enough of this type of thing, to attract media attention, and make sure it gets the exposure it deserves.

The point that so few muslims do speak out against extremism, is a valid point.
As is the fact that they appear to have no such reservations in speaking out against the west, but I can understand that, because they are less afraid of the west, than they are of nutty Islamist extremists.

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Reply #34 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:24am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:10am:

You just claimed they don't protest outside those embassies, I just informed you they have already done so.

Widen the goal posts all you like.

The goalposts have not been moved. You are merely ignoring them, as is your habit. I have bolded them for you.

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The silent majory of muslims is a cowered or indifferent majority. I am sure they are nice individually, in daily encounters. But they have traded away their dignity - and my sympathy, for one - when they did not stand up against the saveges. They have had plenty of opportunities over the years - and consistently missed every single one of them. That is not an oversight, that is not down to being busy or wanting to wait until all the facts are in. They never miss an opportunity at being outraged when someeone hits back. You never hear the end of it when a non-muslim kicks their arses. But when they slaughter each other, islamically-like, it's mum - or whatever the Koranic word is for shtum.

They know all the freedomss when it's marching on the US or israeli embassy or the Australian parliament. but it is all gone as if it had never entered their heads when it come to demostrating at the Iranianm Iraqi, Afghan, Pakistani, Insian, thai, malaysian, indonesian, Algerian, Egyptian, Syrian embassies, not to mention the unimaginable - a march in solidarity with the innocents slaughtered by muslims. That's what I want to see: Muslims agitating, active, with conviction against the savages. I'll be there helping.

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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: Islamic TV Station Founder Beheads his wife Reply #35 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 1:40pm Yes when the Lebanese army was machine gunning Palestinian refugee camps a couple of years ago, barely a whisper on TV. That said, the people hiding there were AQ affiliates. But imagine if it was the IDF - now that's news. Muslims killing muslims..meh - back page.
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Reply #36 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 4:34pm

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Muslims in western countries never protest about the savage tratment of muslims and others by the jihadi monsters. Never. I want to see muslims on George Street demanding the end of terrorist activities in the name of Islam.

Now there's somemthing really worthwhile for you to do.

Why should they? The actions of a few Jihadists is few and far between. Why would Muslims alienate people by claiming that a large portion of their religion are brutal and evil?

Christians made that mistake by trying to appear moderate and everybody took a poo all over them. Muslims aren't so stupid, there is nothing to gain by trying to appeal to the masses. Society is the brutal and evil one.. Just looking for another scapegoat. It's easy to point fingers at Jihadists, rather then taking responsibility for all the crap that goes on in their own neck of the woods.

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But I still believe there's something left for you and me.

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Reply #38 - Feb 24^th, 2009 at 7:02pm

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Well now you are being unfair Abu, you cite a video that shows muslims protesting outside embassies of Islamic countries, against their inhumane activities, yet I have never seen it, and I expect most others have not either, so to infer some conspiracy by us to suppress that information, is untrue, and unfair.

mozzaok, I'll forgive your ignorance, but soren actually knows a little bit about Hizb ut-Tahrir, and knows full well they regularly demonstrate against the oppressive regimes in the Muslim countries. He's just moving the goalposts because he was exposed.

If it bothers you so much, maybe I can put a bit of the video on youtube for you, or find some already posted. Hizb ut-Tahrir are well known for doing this.

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Re: Islamic TV Station Founder Beheads his wife
Reply #39 - Feb 28^th, 2009 at 8:30pm

Muslims cutthroats - coincidence # 342765

Milano:
http://milano.corriere.it/milano/notizie/cronaca/09_febbraio_26/omicidio_suicidi...

Egyptian father shoots, then slits throat of his elementary-school son; Italian wife says he threatened her many times.

Treviso:
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/09_febbraio_26/treviso_omicidio_madre_figlia_arr...

Moroccan man slits the throats of his ex-companion, Elisaveta Leder, and their two-year-old daughter Arianna.

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Re: Islamic TV Station Founder Beheads his wife
Reply #40 - Mar 1^st, 2009 at 1:56pm

soren,

no matter how many times it happened, it would still not make it an Islamic practise.

Islam is based on it's texts, not on the actions of individuals.

Also the second article doesn't say anything about a Muslim. Also anyone naming their daughter Arianna (which means "naked girl" in Arabic, even though it's not an Arabic name, no practising Muslim who understands Arabic would accept such a name) would either have to be very far away from Islam, or simply not even a Muslim to begin with. Also you say "ex-companion", which makes it sound like an adulterer... yeh real practising Muslim.

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Reply #41 - Mar 1^st, 2009 at 3:10pm

islamic practice or practice by islamics - you haggle over it.

It is an agee-old islamic practice - to wash away the shame with halal blood letting, ie cutting the throat.

Why has islam not been able to stam or indeed willing to stamp out this supposedly unislamic practice for 1400 years? because it is as islamic as fatwahs. That's not in the koran, so is that not islamic either?

If 'ex-companion' grates on your sensibilities, how about second wife (unrecognised in italian law)? Or concubine?

Arianne means most holy in Greek. In arabic it means lively. (naked girl - who are you kidding?)

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Islamic TV Station Founder Beheads his wife Reply #42 - Mar 1^st, 2009 at 5:00pm abu_rashid wrote on Mar 1^st, 2009 at 1:56pm: no matter how many times it happened, it would still not make it an Islamic practise. If I may quote The Castle - "Get ya hand off it Darryl!".
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Reply #44 - Mar 2^nd, 2009 at 12:41am

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islamic practice or practice by islamics - you haggle over it.

I'm sure you can appreciate the difference between doctrine and practise.

Christian doctrine for instance is all lovey dovey warm freindly cuddly stuff about turning the other cheek and so forth. Christian practise on the other hand has mostly been about violent, oppressive, military conquest, not just in the past but right up until today. The Christian countries have been involved in the most wars, most occupations, most conquests, most bombings etc.

And all you can do is bring a bodged up list of 12,000 mostly unverified attacks on occupation soldiers and their installed police/soldiers and claim Islam's the big bad boogey monster.

You're a dropkick really.

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hy has islam not been able to stam or indeed willing to stamp out this supposedly unislamic practice for 1400 years? because it is as islamic as fatwahs. That's not in the koran, so is that not islamic either?

Beheading is a method of killing. It's irrelevant. Just because most Christians kill eachother (and non-Christians) with guns, does that mean Christianity has to stamp out guns?? Method of killing is a minor detail. It's got nothing to do with the Qur'an, as I mentioned above it's hardly if ever mentioned in the Qur'an at all.

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Arianne means most holy in Greek. In arabic it means lively. (naked girl - who are you kidding?)

عارية (Aria) is the classical Arabic pronunciation of the word for naked, the colloquial pronunciation is Arian (male) and Ariana (female). I really can't see any sane practising Muslim using such a name. Either way, it doesn't state it's a Muslim.

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