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Reply #15 - Feb 18th, 2009 at 9:48pm
 
Calanen,

All the verses you pasted say hit, not cut, they don't appear to refer to beheading whatsoever.

The other texts you've brought are not Islamic texts (ie. Qur'an or Sunnah) and have no authority in Islamic rulings and beliefs, as I'm sure you're aware.
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Reply #16 - Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:10pm
 
Any word yet on why he killed her? Maybe she cheated on him? Or apostacised?
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Reply #17 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 3:01am
 

Doesn't it say she was divorcing him?

fd, someone murdering their spouse cos they were going to leave them is not that rare you know. It happens in all communities, across all faiths and races... The fact you are trying to link it to Islam shows just how intellectually bankrupt you are.
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Reply #18 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 6:08am
 
What you're missing is the hilarity in the fact that this "man" was trying to alleviate the stereotypical views westerners have of Muslims, and then went ahead and beheaded his wife for wanting to leave him....pretty stereotypical......or maybe just typical.
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Reply #19 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 6:12am
 
Excuse me, I don't find much hilarity in a woman having her head cut off, I guess strange things amuse sick minds.

Anyone who believes that the stereotypical Muslim beheads his wife would have to be pretty bigoted.
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Reply #20 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 6:35am
 
No, you don't understand, or deliberately choose not to, what the hilarity is. I never said it was the poor woman who was beheaded. Read it again.

And no, I don't think people believe it's the "stereotypical" muslim who beheads their wife (daughter, non-muslim neighbour) I think it's becoming quite obvious that it's fairly typical.

But I do give you credit for your persistence in attempting to excuse Islam and all it's atrocities. Few believe you, but kudos anyway.
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Reply #21 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 7:56am
 

Ok, if it's typical, then when was the last case of a Muslim man beheading his wife?

If it happens every other day, then surely there's quite a lot of cases for you to draw from?
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Reply #22 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 10:24pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 at 7:56am:
Ok, if it's typical, then when was the last case of a Muslim man beheading his wife?



Ok, if it's atypical, then when was the last case of a Muslim man beheading anyone other than his wife??

Muslims have well and truly cornered the head hacking business. Go to a betting shop (or send an infidel) and check out the odds you could get for the next beheading in the news being by a Muslim versus a non-muslim.


This is not about the wife, it's about the beheading - and that not even a wife is safe from an incensed Muslim. Why pretend you ddon't get it?

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Reply #23 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 10:37pm
 

That's like saying that because Australian soldiers kill their enemies in battle with guns, therefore when Martin Bryant killed all those people with a gun in Port Arthur it was typical Australian behaviour.

The connection just isn't there, as neither is it in this case.
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Reply #24 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 10:50pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 at 10:37pm:
That's like saying that because Australian soldiers kill their enemies in battle with guns, therefore when Martin Bryant killed all those people with a gun in Port Arthur it was typical Australian behaviour.

The connection just isn't there, as neither is it in this case.


is Lestat dictating this?


So Daniel Pearl was killed in battle? And the Thai schoolgirls?
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Reply #25 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 2:35pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 18th, 2009 at 9:48pm:
Calanen,

All the verses you pasted say hit, not cut, they don't appear to refer to beheading whatsoever.

The other texts you've brought are not Islamic texts (ie. Qur'an or Sunnah) and have no authority in Islamic rulings and beliefs, as I'm sure you're aware.


Stop the word games Abu. You know that smiting people's necks is not tapping them on the back of the head playing tag, and you know that beheading is considered the special holy way of killing peoplen in Islam, the way to kill Jews too. Stop the obfuscation.
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Reply #26 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 2:37pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 at 10:37pm:
That's like saying that because Australian soldiers kill their enemies in battle with guns, therefore when Martin Bryant killed all those people with a gun in Port Arthur it was typical Australian behaviour.

The connection just isn't there, as neither is it in this case.


No, that's just like Abu putting up another strawman. The huge raft of evidence shows that it is no coincidence that both Islamic terrorists, and muslims all over the place think that beheading is the correct Islamic way to kill someone. It also overlooks the fact that women are terrorised throughout islam, and subjugated as breeding cattle with few of the rights western women have under sharia law. Mohammed killed the 800 Jews by beheading setting the precedent.

It overlooks the power imbalance given to women in Islam, where the Koran commands that a man can beat his wife, and must rule the life of a wife as if she was a small child. Women are always considered property in Islam, from the earliest age, until they die, just for having babies and doing housework, either commanded by their father or by their husband.  

You rely on the fact that most Westerners don't know. I *do* know, so you wont be fooling me.
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Reply #27 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 6:43pm
 
I think that Abu does need to acknowledge that Islamist extremists, do indeed interpret koranic texts to justify their, not infrequent, beheadings, but I do not know that it is really fair to then extrapolate that, to include muslims who do not have their life influenced by extremist thinking.

This is where people like calanen and I part ways, in that I regard Islam, as having many negatives, but I regard muslims, as just normal people, who are badly misrepresented due to the horrible extremism of the zealots who claim to champion Islam, and all muslimhood.

I think Abu would probably know the statistics, but the numbers of muslims, who have never condoned, or given succour in any way, to extremism, would undoubtedly be the massive majority, and that is going to be well over a billion people.

So to vilify over a billion people, because you don't like their religion, and unfairly extrapolate a link to terrorism, because of it, is pretty dogmatic, and not something that people of good conscience would want to do.


He can maintain his campaign to try and let people know of the aspects of Islam he finds distasteful, but it should never spill over into wholesale denigration of the muslim people, because it just is not a fair thing to do.
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Reply #28 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 9:19pm
 
Fine sentiments.

Would be credible if we had any muslim demonsrators in Sydney, London, Paris, New York, Berlin not only when America and Israel retailiate against terrorists acting in the name of islam, shouting 'Allahu akhbar' - but when the same terrorsists act savegely against fellow muslims, tourists, ordinary peoplee  in every corner of the globe.

A Polish engineer was just beheaded in Pakistan by saveges drawing innspiration from islam. Scores have been beheaded before across the globe. I want to see the mass of outraged Muslims on George Street chanting ' not in our name' before I sign up, Mozz.

I would dearly love to be able to show solidarity with ordinary muslims if they ever took to the streets and protested in strong and unequivocal terms against the monstreous savagery committed in the name of their religion.

But I never have the chance, not even remotely. It ain't going to happen.  There is no Muslim groundswell,  abhored, disgusted, outraged about the 'misrepresentation'.  They are either scared or agree with the saveges or can't be fagged to let out even a peep.

This is not an issue about unsympathetic non-muslims. This is not about a missunderstood 'other'.  It is about the muslims. And we see - or not, more accurately - which way their hearts and sentiments move them.

The silent majory of muslims is a cowered or indifferent majority.  I am sure they are nice individually, in daily encounters. But they have traded away their dignity - and my sympathy, for one - when they did not stand up against the saveges. They have had plenty of opportunities over the years - and consistently missed every single one of them. That is not an oversight, that is not down to being busy or wanting to wait until all the facts are in. They never miss an opportunity at being outraged when someeone hits back. You never hear the end of it when a non-muslim kicks their arses. But when they slaughter each other, islamically-like, it's mum - or whatever the Koranic word is for shtum.

They know all the freedomss when it's marching on the US or israeli eembassy or the Australian parliament. but it is all gone as if it had neeveer entered their heads when it come to demostrating at thee Iranianm Iraqi, Afghan, Pakistani, Insian, thai, malaysian, indonesian, Algerian, Egyptian, Syrian embassies, not to mention the unimaginable - a march in solidarity with the innocents slaughtered by muslims. That's what I want to see: Muslims agitating, active, with conviction against the savages. I'll be there helping.i
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Reply #29 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 9:31pm
 
Or, if we could see Muslims standing up and taking action against the scum who throw acid in the face of middle eastern women who 'dress immodestly'. This is happening in their own communities, yet they do nothing about it. Even here, Abu describes it as 'just another cime' even though the perpetrators openly portray it as an attack on women's rights to choose what to wear. He even boasts about how these women are 'freely choosing' to return to Islamic values by wearing the veil.
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