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Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's
Feb 11^th, 2009 at 7:16am

Gangs of Oz

On air tonight.

Channel: Seven
When: 9:30 PM, Wednesday, 11 Feb 2009

"....Gangs of Oz tells real-life stories from Australia's underworld gang culture. Narrated by Aussie actor Colin Friels, this documentary series reveals the inner-workings of our nation's most infamous criminal rings all of whom have a propensity for violence.

The program's first instalment delves into Middle Eastern crime: criminals with hallmarks including drive-by shootings, drug trafficking, car theft and contempt for authority."

http://canberra.citysearch.com.au/tv/1137636209133/Gangs+of+Oz

http://au.tv.yahoo.com/gangs-of-oz/

It looks like this episode may explore how some ppl, for whatever reason, choose to 'repay' a country which gave their families a new home?

Many migrants choose to integrate and contribute to the 'common wealth' of Australia.

While some other migrants choose to travel a different path.

Why this difference?

Is it culturally based?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's Reply #1 - Feb 11^th, 2009 at 11:42am During Fraser's government many lebanese from tribal regions were allowed into Australia without proper vetting.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22706 A cat with a view	Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's Reply #2 - Feb 11^th, 2009 at 11:45am Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2009 at 11:42am: During Fraser's government many lebanese from tribal regions were allowed into Australia without proper vetting. 'Vetting', isn't that like something you have done to your young cats and dogs? It certainly sounds like a missed opportunity to me.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's Reply #3 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 7:42am Yeh sounds interesting... An Italian guy, Alan Rossini, is going to recount his time working with the Middle Eastern crime gang of Maronite Danny Karam... Very interesting indeed. Or did you think it was all about Muslims Yadda? Shall we call them "Christian criminals"?
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Reply #4 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 8:37am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 7:42am:

Yeh sounds interesting...

An Italian guy, Alan Rossini, is going to recount his time working with the Middle Eastern crime gang of Maronite Danny Karam... Very interesting indeed.

Or did you think it was all about Muslims Yadda?

Shall we call them "Christian criminals"?

Yes abu,

Clearly Danny Karam, and his right-hand man Tony Rashid (not his real name) and their their gang, are all Christians.
/sarc off

Funny though how in one frame, the 'Christian's mother[?] of one gang member, was seen wearing a muslim womans' head covering.

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Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's
Reply #5 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 6:37pm

No doubt there's a Muslim or two who got mixed up with them.

But the leader is definitely Maronite, as was the most [in]famous member, Michael Kanaan, and Rossini is clearly from Christian background.

Now since I'm a rational human being, I wouldn't for a minute suppose that this means Christianity supports or promotes criminality. Sure the Muslim members of the gang may have attended mosques at some time in their lives, and I'm sure the Christian members would've attended their respective churches. That's just part of the "Mediterranean" cultures, that the church/mosque is a central part of most families' affairs, rather than the religion of any of the offenders being somehow linked to criminality. Plenty of Italian mafia figures are linked quite closely with their Catholic churches... that doesn't mean the church condones or participates in their crimes.

Too bad you don't have the brains to see the same...

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's Reply #6 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 8:30pm So all those Lebs with guns and bats and knives that came from the Mosque and drove to Cronulla and vandalised all those cars, stabbed shot at and beat up people and etc, etc, etc... they were all just Christians too eh?
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Reply #7 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 8:41pm

You can't have it both ways Abu, or in Islam's case, thrice ways.

Culture, religion, or race, depending on what line of claptrap is being peddled at the time.
I suppose we could also chuck in, political system, as well, but you guys like to play that aspect down, which is quite wise, considering the examples we see of Islamic governments behaviour.

Even so, I agree with you that many people go over the top in associating every act of every muslim, as being representative of Islam.

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OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's Reply #8 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 8:51pm Oh but there's more... what do you suppose explains the conversion to islam rate in NSW prisons?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 7519 Gender:	Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's Reply #9 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 8:53pm "But the leader is definitely Maronite, as was the most [in]famous member, Michael Kanaan, and Rossini is clearly from Christian background." (c) abu abu, didn't you come from Christian background too? Beside, islam has no borders and so is crime.
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Lestat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1403	Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's Reply #10 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 8:56pm Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 8:51pm: Oh but there's more... what do you suppose explains the conversion to islam rate in NSW prisons? Its not only prisons boofy....Australians are converting to Islam in droves..especially your woman. What do you suppose explains that?
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Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's
Reply #11 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 8:59pm

mozzaok wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 8:41pm:

You can't have it both ways Abu, or in Islam's case, thrice ways.

Culture, religion, or race, depending on what line of claptrap is being peddled at the time.
I suppose we could also chuck in, political system, as well, but you guys like to play that aspect down, which is quite wise, considering the examples we see of Islamic governments behaviour.

Even so, I agree with you that many people go over the top in associating every act of every muslim, as being representative of Islam.

Whether they're Christians or muslims, the undeniable fact is that these 'gangs' are acting more 'Australian' then they are 'Lebenese'.

There actions have much more similarities to bikies then it does too Lebenese culture, be it Christian or Muslim. Fact is that Lebenese in Lebenon do not behave this way.

Bikies on the other hand....

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's Reply #12 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 9:05pm I've heard in Lebanon there are heaps of underworld groups. The Muslims have them, the Druze have them, the Christians have them and so on.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 7519 Gender:	Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's Reply #13 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 9:05pm How do Lebenese gangs in Lebenon behave?
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Re: Middle Eastern Gangs in Sydney in the 1990's
Reply #14 - Feb 12^th, 2009 at 9:34pm

Acting more Australian... ? Have you a peanut for a brain Les.

More violent etc, etc, etc.... read the police reports on them they don't act like Australians.

Oh BTW, only the ugly women are converting Les... some prisoners are because it's safer that way. Oh and most Australians aren't converting at all so don't delude yourself.

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