mozzaok wrote on Feb 7
th, 2009 at 5:26pm:
Quite honestly, I see both sides of this argument
, those who feel that Islam is inherently evil, are usually christians, who conveniently turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy and violent musings in the text that they consider sacred, and openly vilify the muslims who see the spiritual side of their beliefs, leaving them labeled as terrorist sympathisers.
If you want to start a p1ssing match about whose religion is sillier, I will cheer from the sidelines, because I think they are all ludicrous.
I appreciate that Islam has the extra element of politicisation that others do not, which is very problematic, but not to the point where we should feel justified in vilifying complete strangers just on the basis of their religious beliefs, which is what so many here seem to desire.
I hold no more contempt for a fundamentalist muslim, than I would for a fundamentalist christian, both operate from a position totally divorced from reality,
but these are the minority and do not represent the majority who just want to lead free and peaceful lives like the rest of us
.
moz,
You state your
opinion [above] on the basis of what received information, and what knowledge about ISLAM / muslims?
Is your
opinion based on the information from ppl like abu?
moz,
In its war against 'unbelief', ISLAM has a planned strategy of 'approaching' 'unbeliever' communities, with
LIES, DECEPTION and VIOLENCE.
Dar al-Harb = = "house of war", those countries where Sharia does not rule.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_al-HarbAnd ISLAM's interaction with 'unbeliever' communities is usually conducted, and ratcheted up,
in that order - lies, deception and violence.
ONE EXAMPLE OF LIES & DECEPTION, AND CONTEMPT FOR NON-MUSLIMS....ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a bit, they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue.....
A GROUP OF CHRISTIANS VISITING THE MOSQUE and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat them kindly and talk about 'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'
.
JUST AS SOON AS THAT GROUP OF VISITORS LEAVES, THE LANGUAGE CHANGES COMPLETELY. 'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says.....http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2360820.htm#transcriptDevout muslims will lie to your face.
To all devout muslims 'unbelievers' are always held beneath contempt.
And this TRUTH is often
openly exposed,
when muslims are heard to talk candidly, among themselves.
moz,
If you learn, or
come to understand that a 'source' of information about ISLAM [from within ISLAM] is going to lie to you, then if you want correct [and verifiable] information,
shouldn't you seriously discount, or at least be very sceptical of the veracity of that information, which coming from within ISLAM itself???
To me, that seems a logical conclusion to come to.
Then what could be a source of TRUTHFUL information about ISLAM [including its aims and methods]?
I would suggest one source could be
EX-muslims.
EX-muslims are people who know ISLAM intimately!http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htmhttp://www.news.faithfreedom.org/http://www.apostatesofislam.com/ADDITIONAL....
Look at what is happening within muslim communities today, in Europe....
Belgium - Militant Muslimshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-inob20I_Y0moz, compare ISLAMIC values with your own values....
Halal + Haraamhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqiplL8ReFUMuslims Grievanceshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFL-QcpnZq8+++++++++++
From the Koran....
"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom."http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.118"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.073http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/066.qmt.html#066.009"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.216"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029
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