BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON CAUSES OF HONOUR CRIMES IN
EGYPT:

The legal system in Egypt is contradictory in that it guarantees women's rights in the  public arena, restricting them in the private sphere. The personal status law for
example, permits not only male polygamy, but the right of the husband to divorce his  wife for no good reason and the expulsion of a divorced woman from the marital  residence if she has no children or her children are beyond custody age. It also
requires the wife's obedience if she needs the husband to spend on her. Family law  prioritizes the reproductive role of woman, assuming that men alone are responsible for providing for the family. It places the protection of the family unit above individual rights within the family, giving men privileges to go with the role of sole
provider.

Likewise women are not treated as individuals, but rather as wives, mothers and daughters expected to obey the patriarch; and the control of the sexuality of girls and women is observed and monitored by male members of the family. [Just Breeding cattle - Cal]

Economic rights are further determined by the woman\s position within the family.
Because the family remains the basic unit of Egyptian society, family structure and  relations play a significant role in determining women's economic opportunities.

The problem is not only with the law but also with the application of the law that  undermines women's rights. Judges in many cases are influenced by the same  patriarchal biases of society. Women cannot be judges in Egypt except in the  Constitutional court. The law is implemented by men only (police and justice depts.
are all men)

Girls are socialized to consider marriage life's mission, because a woman does not have status unless she is married. As a result, women tend to accept and tolerate injustices that take place in the family. Many women, especially from low and middle
income classes, tend to sacrifice their individual rights for the sake of preserving the marriage. Control of women's sexuality is a major obstacle to their practice of rights.

Religious extremists place the blame for excessive libidinal drive on women alone, with the result that female genital mutilation is universally practiced and veiling is increasingly imposed and honour crimes are acceptably practiced.

Honour crimes refer to the murder of a woman by her male family members for a  perceived violation of the social norms of sexuality, or a suspicion of women having transgressed the limits of social behaviour imposed by traditions. This includes seeing
or meeting a man even if this is only a suspicion or a gossip. Honor crimes include  also a husband kills his wife whom he or other family members suspected her of adultery.

It is difficult to estimate the overall number of honour killings that take place yearly in Egypt. An Egyptian report based on 1995 statistics counted 52 honor killings (out of 819 murders) reported.

Neither Shariah nor modern laws have appropriately penalized the practice due to the strong influence of the tribal system and popular beliefs about women's sexuality. In addition, modern penal codes and also the practices reinforce the notion that men have a "right" to punish women for improper sexual behaviour.


Honor crimes constitute a major violation of women\s human rights. It is the most extreme form of domestic violence. Murder to cleanse family honor is a type of crimes committed against women, with impunity, in many parts of the world.

Egyptian films represent honour killing as part of highly valued and well respected tradition. Family honour is shown as dependent on the sexual conformity of its female family members. With the strong wave of conservatism in Egypt, strong criticism ofthe practice of honour killing by activists is rejected by many. They consider activists
who condemn the practice as deviants from the religious principles and from good traditions and that they are only attempting to adopt a western agenda that does not respect family's honour and that permit females to practice premarital and extra
marital relationships.

Article 17 of the Egyptian Penal code allows judges to decrease the sentences given in the case of murder when they decide that the condition of the murderer requires so.

Such reductions reach as little as six months that could also be spent during the trial.

Therefore the murderer can escape being imprisoned and walks free.

Also in the same penal code, a man's act of adultery is adulterous only in the marital home (article 277), but a wife is adulterous outside, or inside the marital home, and need not be found deflagrate delicate for the husband to benefit from the defense of
inflamed emotions. The constitutionality of these laws has been challenged by activists in Egypt.

[Ok, this UN report must be wrong. Lestat's study was what he observed himself in Egypt. Who is going to send the UN the correction memo? Cal ]

http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/egm/vaw-gp-2005/docs/experts/khafagy.honorcrime...

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What did she do to you - strip you naked, tie you up and whip you?

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lol, if only...

No, best way I can describe her is "Batman villain". A heartless bitch who tries to act innocent and cute, then abuses you. It's funny how you're the one complaining about abuse yet probably never been abused.

You seem to have a habit of doing that. Wanting laws on things you know nothing about.

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Is it considered gossiping if it's the truth?

You know, friends don't just listen to someone's ex ussualy. I mean for pity's sake, they didn't even like me.

I'm surprised it didn't occur to you sooner if "Jesus Christ, if Jim Profit says she's evil she must be the turd straight from Satan's rectum! Jim Profit is like Charles Manson but without the getting laid!"

And right you are. She was Satan's turd...

It's only ignorant if I'm wrong.

You did not hint to me being wrong. I don't get phased by petty insults and accussations of being a meanie.

I don't assume, I judge. Assume means I base my stance off some irrational whim, judge means I came to a conclusion based off the evidence shown to me.

Says who?

My observation is impeciable. If you want to live your life in blind ignorance just so people don't think you're a prick, be my guest.

But we have brains and deduction skills for a reason. Discrimination and malevolence isn't without reason, it's about survival. Why if we hadn't judged people, we'd be dead.

The indians made that mistake, and they got slaughtered for it didn't they?

Liberalism is just a psychological tool to limit people's minds and potential. Less they become dangerous and powerful. Too powerful to control and could take their place.

People could lie, but they won't. The internet's anonymisity reveals their true nature. Not having to worry about being punished for their thoughts.

So if anything, the best place to learn about a person is through the net. Not masqueraded by the censors and whistles of day to day living..

And let's face it, there's just too few people in this world to waste your time "years" trying to get to know. bugger them. You go by first impressions, make a call, and stick by it. If they don't like it too bad.

I deal with it, everyone else can too.

tallowood wrote on Feb 17^th, 2009 at 10:31pm:

poo like this wouldn't happen if PS3 had games.

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I think Mohammad is a pretty cool guy, eh marries the ten year olds, and doesn't afraid of nothing!

lol, seriously. Islam is a religion I've thought of converting too. The only reason I havn't is because they're much more strict then I am. But we definitely get along in the like little girls and violence category..