Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:


There it is...the well known ROTFLMAO, a sure sign that Grendel has once again been embarresed into submission.

'You thought'....I somehow doubt it. I don't think you have the ability to 'think'.

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 6:57pm:


You have to have a culture first before people 'come for it'. The only culture that Australia has is that which immigrants brought with them.

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:41pm:


Oh right...I forgot. Aussie aussie aussie...oi, oi, oi.

Great culture that is.
And lets not leave out that great pub meal aussie cuisine.

Lestat wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 11:43pm:



Why don't you Vincent van Gogh, Lizzie.


Hope that's cultured enough for you.

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As much as I'm going to be abused for this - I agree with the above.  We are a culture in formation.  The culture that existed 30 years ago - if we can call it that has long gone.  People have changed.  The original "aussies" are caring less for their families - that includes their parents and children.  The elderly are dying alone in their homes and being found weeks later or put into hospitals if the family needs a holiday.  Consumption of alcohol is out of control and the majority of young people have no qualms about boozing it up all weekend.  They are killing themselves.

Many of them are directionless and lost and want some goals and boundaries in their lives.  They can no longer get this from their families who are so consumed with debt, materialism and working around the clock that generation Y are the forgotten generation and are looking for some substance in their lives.

Depression is rampant amongst our young because they're empty and susceptible to peer pressure to fill a void.  They are looking for something to give their life meaning.

I have no problem with Australian males because I'm used to them - but the younger generation of women are very dissatisfied with the lack of confidence, propensity to violence and the disrespect the average young male generally shows to women.

Well said Mantra. No doubt it will elicit some backlash, but it's the truth, and it's just hard to come to grips with for extreme nationalists.

Regarding the treatment of the elderly, this is a very sad situation. In one of the mosques in Melbourne the Muslim community there runs an aged care facility, all the patients are non-Muslims, as it's completely forbidden in Islamic culture to palm your seniors off to a home. I think this is one aspect of Islamic culture (it's also present to some degree in Italian and Greek cultures) that Australia could learn from and integrate into our own emerging culture. Why not take what Australian culture needs from those cultures which are integrating into Australia at present, seems like the only logical choice to me, unless people want to remain in a stubborn mindset that "we've already got our own culture, don't need that bloody foreign crap".

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There is a stubborn mindset here and a lot of it is exacerbated by our media unfortunately.  And true - it is the only logical choice to integrate new cultures into Australia, particularly as statistics are showing that migrants are placing so much more importance on education for their children and family values than 3rd, 4th etc. generation Australians are currently doing.

My daughter recently spent a night at Luna Park and joined up with a group of young Muslim girls and she was impressed with how nice, polite and gentle they were in comparison to the girls she's grown up with, many of them being hard, nasty and materialistic.  She works with many foreign men, including Muslims and enjoys their company, kindness and humour.

Unfortunately many of the Aussie Nationalists, being mainly male, can't understand that Muslims in Australia are different to Muslims in Afghanistan.  They are all lumped in the same basket as extremists.  There are aspects of Islam that I don't like in regard to women being treated as second class citizens and being hit, but from what I've read this mainly occurs amongst Muslim peasants in the same way it occurs amongst Australian males in lower socio-economic areas of Australia.

Australians will get used to Muslims, in the same way we did with Italians and Asians.  In another 20 years - this hatred hopefully will be a thing of the past.

mantra wrote on Feb 7^th, 2009 at 7:31am:


Do you really believe that islam will reform in 20 years?
I hope so too but don't held my breath.iiiiiiii

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 7^th, 2009 at 5:49am:


It's rhyming slang from London, innit. Vincent Vang off.

All cultures are in formation, so no news there.
BUT the Greeks, the Balts, Italians, Vietnamese and Chinese and now the Muslims and Indians are coming BECAUSE it is an Anglo coutry, with Anglo laws, sensibilities, LANGUAGE, big thing that, language and literature - the stuff of the mind and attitudes. They are not coming just for the material goods -  which were achieved to a large extent also because of the Britannic heritage and the Anglo settlers.

None of the earleir ones wanted to change the very culture that attracted them to this country - except the muslims of your ilk. They are the only ones who wish this place was culturally and mentality-wise similar to the hellholes they fled. (Not materially similar, mind,  because who would pay them the dole in a poor untry?) Benbrika fled Algeria because the Muslims there wanted an Ummah and pronto. Big killing spree, civil unrest, killing and mayhem. He comes here and wants what? To kill footy spectators. A 'sought after ' figure in his community. Not a pariah. Not an ostracised loser. A 'sought after' figure.

The immigrants do contribute to this country and they can do that because it is an anglo country, a place governed by reasonableness, the principle of merit raqther than clan or tribal affiliation, a place where you are free, safe and pursue your heart's desire.

You can take your ummah and stick it up your jumpah.