Insofar as anything can be saved from itself, it would be remiss of the vigilant among us not, in our own way, to try to save Islam from Islamism - its violent internal momentum... and in doing so save us all, Muslims and non-Muslims alike from Islamic nihilism.... Muslims, apparently, are not able to do it alone.

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You know what's even more amusing? He gets a Queens Counsel on the taxpayer dime to represent him for what, a 12 month trial? Few million dollars or so right there.

All of the Religion of Peacers charged with crimes get Legal Aid, because they are on welfare.

I live in Melbourne North Abu, the only gangs I see are Lebo's and Turks. Just how many Muslims are in our jails but a Muslim would never do anything illegal, whould he.

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Yeh all Muslims are on welfare aren't they Calanen... Just stay in your only little delusional anti-Islamic fantasy world, don't concern yourself with the reality happening around you.

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Agreed mozza, that is just plain wrong. But that's not a Muslim thing, there's plenty of non-Muslims who do that. Islam has special requirements  for Muslims who take up residence in a non-Muslim country, and if Ben Brika were as knowledgable as is claimed, then he would've been aware of them.

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Certainly not as many as there are Christians in our gaols.

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Self proclaimed respect is generally not as great as it might be made out to be. I personally never even heard of the guy before the trial. And I attend the larger mosques around Melbourne. I think you'll find most Muslims in Melbourne would never have heard of the guy before this incident. He was not imam of a mosque, nor head of any known Islamic organisation, so please stop trrying to make this something it is not. As usual your imagination plays a much larger role in your arguments than your intellect.

What is it about Islam that turns out these mass murderers? I cannot believe that it is pure coincidence that this guy happened to be Muslim. There have been thousands of Australians of various ideologies, both religious and political, that have grievances over something happening to the 'compatriots' overseas. They have protested vigourously. Sometimes they even went to far and the protest turned violent. But now we have a tiny Muslim community in Australia and it all changes and we get people who instead of protesting, decide to blow up a stadium full of people.

It cannot even be that lunatics happen to be attracted to Islam and it gets it's bad name that way. Yes Australia has its share of lunatics, but they don't plot to blow up stadiums or busses.

Likewise, the west has seen plenty of terrorists, but they are usually people who grew up with the violence and learned to hate that way. They were not spoilt dole bludging white boys one the other side of the world to the actual violence who one day decided to slaughter as manny innocent people as possible.

Same story with the London bombers.

What is it about Islam that makes the lunatics get such grand schemes in their heads?

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In the common law, the punishment for attempt and conspiracy to commit a crime, is the same as if it were committed. Just because the cops stop you before you can do something, doesn't mean your punishment should be less for what you fully intended to do.

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Yes. Because what Timothy McVeigh was doing had nothing to do with him being a Christian (my dim recollection is that he was not particularly religious). He didnt blow up the Murrah Building, because he said his christian beliefs made him. Muslims, blow up things, and kill people - BECAUSE THEY SAY ISLAM TELLS THEM TOO.

That's the differrence and its a big one.

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For every soldier in the field, there are 9 other support persons behind him providing money, medical attention and support. And the Islamic community constantly makes excuses for, covers up and sides with people who commit terror.

The Islamic community sympathises with terrorists, and seeks to blame the victims - demonstrating their support. The Islamic community is far more interested in silencing westerners noticing Islamic terror and hate, by calling them racists and islamophobes, than it is in doing anything to stop such people.

The Islamic community never informs on other members of the community who are seeking to recruit terrorists or form cells. They never give evidence against other muslims, because they see terror and jihad as their patriotic duty, and our laws as rubbish.

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Firebomb mosques? That hasnt happened recently, and I know this because - if it had, the Religion of Peacers would all be on the news staging photos by throwing childrens toys into the ashes to sell on Reueters, with crying women and screaming about the need for justice.

On the other hand, Religion of Peacers having been torching and attacking Synagogues all across Europe. But that goes under-reported by Al Ja Reuters.

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A mentally ill guy, one dude, buys a rifle and kills a whole heap of people. He did not do it because of a religious ideology. He did it because he was nuts and a psychopath.  You have a group, Islam, which does things like Mumbai, coordinated by sane people, because of the religion, and they say its because of the religion.


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Boo hoo for him. Things are tough all over. And there was no civil war here. But if people like him keep going, their might be.

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So the way to protest US foreign policy is to kill innocent people in another country. Way to go their genius. If you are an angry muslim, go join the Taliban and get strafed by A-10s. But attacking civilians in Western countries, is just an act of extreme cowardice by people who should be shot.

The death penalty is too good for people who conspire terror against the Australian state.

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So the victims of terror in Australia, if muslims commit acts of terror in Aus, have no one to blame but themselves?

Wait a sec - this is a Hallmark moment - Abu shows his *real* colours. You thought you saw them before, but, they are really out there now.

And people wonder why anyone would question a muslim's loyalty to Australia. So did you say that the victims of the Bali bombings had no one to blame but themselves?

I bet you did - didn't you?

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I think you make the same mistake most people make about Islam. They think that because there are only relatively few actual terrorists that the rest of the community has no interest in terror and is on OUR side (yeah right). But it's the tip of the iceberg. In drug cases, there are always informants from inside the drug cartels.

In Islamic terror cases - I have never seen one muslim informant give evidence against the 'terrorists'. Not a single one. What does this tell you? Just coincidence.

Someone is providing enough money to finance an enormous army in the field in Afghanistan. Huge amounts of ammunition, food, medical supplies. That is all coming from somewhere. The amount of money the US needs to keep its military going should be an indication of how much money is being put there.

And jihad has always been a partial obligation for the community. You can participate by providing money, supplies, weapons, and are relieved of your obligation.

The attitude of Islam towards terror indicates to me, that they are cheering from the sidelines (like Abu who blames the Bali bombing victims as having brought it on themselves), some would be contributing money, others turning the blind eye when terror cells are recruiting in mosques. They are certainly not on our side however.