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Good news today, that this extremist nutjob, who reportedly hoped to blow up as many aussies as he could on grand final day, has been locked up for a long time, as he should be.

I think I recall our resident muslims proclaiming that these creeps would be exonerated because they had not actually achieved their goals of mass murder, fortunately they were wrong, as usual.

Aussies hold no tolerance for scum like this, nor for any who support them, so I say again, this is a good day for aussies, because it shows that we will not go soft on creeps who seek to bring jihad to our shores.

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I think you recall incorrectly, as usual.

I said some of the evidence seemed a little flimsy, that's about it.

Don't let that get in the way of your islamophobic rants though.. carry on.

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Some did get off mozza, all I did was note that a few of them were acquitted. It's  past tense, because they were acquitted long ago. This news you've posted  is only about 1 person. Don't know why you're using the word "they".

I made no expression of hope or wish for them, I merely stated what happened.

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No, it was due to the fact that the case mostly relied upon the testimony of a witness who talks with birds and was a complete loony. And that the only one in the group who actually had anything remotely to do with explosives was the ASIO plant... And that the prime piece of evidence was a DVD.

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I don't think anybody in Australia wants people running around planting explosives. Don't forget many Muslims attend footy games each week, including grand finals.

Remember this next time you want to demonise all Muslims for the actions (or supposed intentions in this case, as they never actually did anything) of a few.

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As I've noted in other threads, Abu Hamza, the "Melbourne cleric" now being attacked for supposedly encouraging wife beating and rape was a witness for the prosecution in the case, and was also instrumental in discouraging and opposing Ben Brika in the Muslim community.

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No more satisfaction than what I get from seeing any other person locked up who's causing violence in our streets. Christians have turned Melbournes streets into a gangland warzone over the past 10 years.. Are Christians any more satisfied because a lot of the culprits are dead or behind bars now? I think all citizens are probably just as  satisfied. Should I be more satisfied because I'm a Muslim?

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No they're not, liars and islamophobes who go around spreading lies and misinformation about Islam are, and who try to promote hatred and mistrust between Muslims and non-Muslims.

Don't try to blame your hatred of Islam on some bad eggs amongst the Muslim community. Take responsibility for YOUR hatred, yourself.

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mozzaok, Osama Bin Laden was fighting Jihad since the early 80's. Nobody in the West had a problem whatsoever with him, cause he was fighting our wars for us, against the Soviets. He had thee exact same beliefs, same ideology, was just as militant, had the same training camps etc. Nobody in the West even knew his name, outside intelligence circles. US backed countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan etc. were actually putting up posters in mosques for free fares to Afghanistan, to fight in Jihad.. nobody had a problem whatsoever...

Saddam Hussein had a relationship with the US and her intelligence services stretching back to 1959. When he was gassing Iranians & Kurds nobody had a problem with him at all. In fact Rumsfeld went to meet him at the time and congratulate him on what a great job he was doing.



As I've said, they didn't change, the West did. When the Soviets fell, everything changed. OBL became the most evil person on earth, Saddam came close second. The US invaded Iraq, then kept it suffering under sanctions and blockade for about 11 years, until they finally invaded again and then  Afghanistan.

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I was talking about Muslims in Australia.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 7:43pm:


I think you recall incorrectly, as usual.

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Yeah they sent you over the trial brief did they Chief Wigam? muppet.

Like you'd know what the evidence was, or its significance even if was used to beat you into (or perhaps out of) a coma.

Calanen,

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And I think you've quoted the wrong person. That statement which you put my name to is actually mozza's statement.

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It was well reported in the media how flimsy the evidence was, and that the Judge himself made it quite plain to the jury that a lot of the case against them is hinging on the lunatic witness who talks to birds and was known to be a habitual liar.

Go dig up the original thread and check the conversations which took place. You seem a little out of touch.

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Right, so you agree Muslims have some serious grievances? And can understand why some might get militant and fight back?

Or do you think bad luck, you should just suffer it.

It's quite ironic that you often take the side of those who respond with military force... if they're Americans, British, Israelis etc. Yet you clearly admit the West has committed a lot of bad stuff against Muslims over the decades... but Muslims have no justifiable reason for responding, right?

Can you understand why most Muslims might consider that as being a little unfair and one sided?

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Right, and the same people who were in Baghdad shaking his hand, are the same people who waged war on the innocent Iraqi people. Btw, they didn't just prop him up, they actually put him into power.

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You need to stop placing so much trust in one single documentary you saw which claimed this. The Muslim Brotherhood began in the 1920's as a movement to restore the Caliphate. They never engaged in any acts of terrorism, nor taught terrorism, nor had any connection to terrorism whatsoever, this is just nonsense. About the closest the MB came to being connected to terrorism, was that they were linked to bombings of US and Britiish targets in Egyptt during the 1950's, which were later found to be committed by Israeli spies...

Today it's popular to associate the MB, and specifically Sayyid Qutb (May God be pleased with him) with terrorism. This is largely a Saudi attempt to say "Hey we're not the terrorists, the MB are".

Neither of them ever had any connection to terrorism at all.

Your views seemed to be pretty shallow mozza, and seem to be just formed by what you heard in some documentary, or read in some book. Rather than actually having a comprehensive understanding about the situation and the players involved.

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Bin Laden never made these statements until long after the West had been slaughtering Muslims by the tens of thousands. Can you blame anyone for getting a little hostile after all the attacks and murders of Muslims?

If tens of thousands of Australians were slaughtered... wouldn't you become a little militarised?

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The West are the instigators. Muslim militant groups are merely reactionaries. They're simply responding to a threat which has long been unleashed against the Muslims. You admitted this clearly yourself above. Even the former head of the Bin Laden unit of the CIA, Michael Scheuer has stated that Bin Laden is involved purely in a defensive war. He is merely defending the Islamic lands and the continued onslaught against them.

Yes Locutious, Abu does give the impression of having completely bought into the Islamist's justification for terrorism.

He parrots the rhetoric we here from Islamist extremists, and then acts shocked when confronted with the suspicion and mistrust which naturally follows such revelations.

This fact can only deepen the divide between muslims, and non-muslims, when he cannot even comprehend how disturbing it is, to hear an aussie, who converted to a foreign set of beliefs, openly spouting justifications for the likes of bin laden, and of course like all good muslims, he blames the jews, and the west, but brooks no criticism of Islam.

It is funny how you condemn me for the sources of my information, books, and documentaries, as if that is not a legitimate way to garner information, do you think only militant muftis provide unbiased opinions?

We must assume so, because you buy their line of bull, without question.

Seeing how blinkered you are on these issues, only furthers the fears that people like myself, feel towards Islam, when in one short decade, you become an apologist for terrorists, because they share your adopted belief system.