As I stated many times islam need reformation just like it' predecessors have had to get out of islamic dark ages.
Is it possible? Ask the only islamic authority here abu.
I'll bet he will evade the question, though.

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Some are sure. But that is a muslim ruled country. That is a very different thing from the dar al harb where we live, where the goal always is to crush the system and make it a muslim ruled country. And all or most muslims will unite to do that when the call goes out.

There is also a saying in Arabic 'We side with the victor,' meaning that whoever wins and is in power, people side with, and that allegiances are very very fluid.

I wouldn't ban Islam, I would prevent it from ever getting into the political sphere, constantly requiring special treatment and 'justice', and I would prevent Islamic immigration. I have a few sneaky ideas though to do that without actually naming the dragon.

And where is this doctrinal basis for a somewhat islam light you are referring to? Is it just based on your own 'hope' there?

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:57pm:


FD,

Oh yes there is!

If we study ISLAM, just a little, we learn that ISLAM promotes its violent dominance over, and destruction of, all democratic systems of government.

When proponents of ISLAM say otherwise, they are being bare faced liars.






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Incorrect.

By definition, such a 'muslim' would be regarded by [real] devout muslims, as a non-muslim.

So lets make it easy for ourselves [and for the real, nominal 'muslims'].

Just expel all those ppl who claim to follow, the political philosophy called, ISLAM.

I'm sure that in the 'process', many nominal muslims would simply abandon their 'faith', and identify themselves as people who have secular values.

Good!

I have no problem with such ppl.

I welcome such ppl to live among us.

And, when we catch the liars [which there no doubt will be some, among the 'deniers'], who deceived us, prosecute them as agents working for a foreign power / traitors.





FD,

I direct you to my comments here,

"Israel accused over Gaza wounded"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231430119/10#10

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I said the basis is Human, not doctrinal.

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I don't think people mind discrimination based on ideology in immigration policy. Immigration policy is out of necessity discriminating. It would be the locals who complaqin the most.

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You are not contradicting me Yadda. All religious people play the same game.

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We are currently at war with two such regimes. This has not necessitated denial of rights to local Muslims.

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But we don't live there Freediver. And the Muslims are already in power. You can see the distinction surely?

YOUTUBE....
"Holy Koran Numa Numa"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vipcEgB8DtM

I find this whole concept of trying to ban people very troubling, and not at all what I want my Australia to be like.

If we trade away our principles and freedoms, in some perverse attempt to protect them, then we have already lost them.

While I do not like much of what I learn about Islam, I dislike even more the idea of us becoming totalitarian in our responses to it.

We need to be smart enough to find ways to limit the ability of Islam to further it's ideals of a resurgent caliphate, and an imposed theocracy, without resorting to bigoted pogrom like attacks on muslims.

I refuse to accept the notion that all muslims are inherently evil fifth columnists just biding their time until they can overrun us, I just do not bellieve that ordinary people work that way.

Of course there are elements within the muslim community who harbour such divisive ideals, and unfortunately they attempt to proselytise those ideals to their wider community, and it is with these extremists that we should focus our attention.

As I have always maintained, and with no specific targeting of any religious group, I would ban all religious schooling, as I feel it is important for all children to be given the opportunity of receiving an education, free from religious proselytising.
Parents who wish to impose their religious beliefs onto their children should not be indulged in their wants, by impinging on the child's right to an unbiased, and broad, education.

I also believe that the rights and freedoms which all religions claim for themselves, need to be reviewed.
Religions should be treated like any other organisation, and should be subject to regulations and controls which reflect the values and ideals of the broad community.
Things like tax free status, should only be applied to specific, charitable organisations, and with complete transparency, so no special considerations would be required, just because an organisation chooses to call itself a religion, the privileges it receives would be totally dependant upon it's functions.

So now that we have privilege on religious grounds out of the way, then anyone who promotes dissent, or anti-social activities, could be dealt with impartially, in the judicial system.

So rather than choose one group to try and curtail, we instead create an even system where all are bound by the same legal considerations, irrespective of their claimed religious preference.