I notice Muslims get justifiably upset when other people (eg Yadda and Sprint) claim to know better than they do what Islam is all about and interpret the Koran themselves, claiming the interpretation represents the beliefs of actual Muslims. But then they will happily turn around and insist they know better than Christians or Jews what Christianity or Judaism is all about. If anything, it makes me doubt his ability to gauge what Islam is really about when he claims the same sort of authority on Christianity and Judaism.

Lestat wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 7:33am:



It is the millions like you who make today's islam simultaneously dangerous and ridiculous.

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So, Mantra, the Australian girls who were raped by the muslim gang wern't hurt and when they testified in court against the islamic scam they did it because they were right wingers?

Did you teach your child when raped just to close here eyes and think about mohamed the paedophile?

mantra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 8:47pm:


I am as serious as you are.
Horrible rape of Anita  was not motivated by a religion and none of religious leaders tried to condone it like it was in the case of islamic rape.

As yo can see I am not judging a whole group of people by a few bad apples but by the culture of islam where they are encouraged to rape own members of the family.

I'm an atheist Grendel, with Christian leanings.  Islam doesn't appeal to me in the slightest, but I can see why the radicals behave the way they do at times.

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Whatever Tallow.  Did you ever wonder why Anita was raped?  Perhaps it was because a bunch of homeless feral little boys were rejected by our "Christian" society. Of course that's no excuse - but by the very existence of these dysfunctional retarded & dangerous kids, it shows how bereft our society is at times.

No matter how much you whinge about Muslims - they are here to stay.  Most of them are moderates.  There is only a small proportion that you have to be concerned about Tallow and I'm sure they don't know where you live.

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I don't see why. If you and 100, no, say 1 million muslims got together and passed a fatwa that I was a 'joke', whether on my own forum or in my kitchen - I might just look up from my morning coffee for a nanosecond while I then went back to reading the sports pages.

That's how much it would 'hurt'.

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Exactly how you do you define - 'moderate' in Islam. There might be moderate people in Islam, who dont care enough to do anything about the imperatives of the faith - for now. The majority of muslims are engaged in the stealth jihad, white anting our heritage, traditions, values and institutions so they can be like sick old men and more easily destroyed. Such muslims see straight out terror as counter productive, but would prefer the whole slowly slowly termite destruction thing happen instead. The aim is the same, just the means are different.

But its a bit like when a sports team is losing. It has less fans.

If it starts winning, it has more fans. You will find that the 'moderates' pass around the ammunition to their fanatical brothers once the bullets start flying.

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'here to stay' is strong terminology. You get a few more terrorist examples, or, better still an own goal terror plot here, and you see what happens.

Australians are not brits, we are not americans. When muslim thugs bashed up some lifesavers, you saw days of riots.

What do you think they will do, if one of these Religion of Peacers blows up a subway station, or a sports stadium?

Do you think that the language of Multicultism and the celebration of 'diversity' will stop the people?

I doubt it. And you know what else - there will be a successful terror plot against Australians here perpetrated by Muslims. Its just a matter of time.

And then it will be on, like Donkey Kong.

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Are they?

You are forgetting a few facts here Mozz.  Just to back up your argument against a personality.

Pakistan, Indonesia...  have madrasses where children are taught what?
What about the indoctrination we have recently discussed re the palestinians and hamas?

You are using the mantra argument...  we are driving them to it?
Are your driving them to it?

Grendel, you know that I do not disagree that what Islam teaches it's kids is totally unacceptable, and we do not disagree that because of this brainwashing, muslims are more likely to actively support violent jihad, if ever called upon to do so.

As far as "driving" them to it, perhaps a better description would be that we are providing the extremists with justifications, which would seem credible to most muslims, to support them in their anti-western stance, which may even include violent jihad.

Yes I agree with you, and others, on those points, but still hold out hope, that the basic human decency of all humanity, exists in muslims too, and this shared humanity may be enough for them, to recoil from any push to use violence to achieve their goals.

At the end of the day, we still share many core values with muslims, and a little more focus on what we have in common, rather than what separates us, may help engender better understanding, and a reduction in the friction between cultures.

Now Calanen, I appreciate that no one likes to be called a hypocrite, and you naturally get defensive, but should you care to reappraise what you posted, I expect you may recognise how others could certainly feel justified in classifying your apparent zeal for violent conflict with muslims, as seemingly hypocritical, when you would not hesitate to condemn any muslim who openly called for violent action.

I appreciate that it was most likely just over exuberant hyperbole, but you should acknowledge that fact, not follow the Islamist route of justifying why violence is an appropriate response.

Absolutely right Tallo, they do 'choose' violence, and that is why I do not support them.

If they chose to negotiate peacefully, I would be far more sympathetic to their cause.

When I said they behave as if violence is their only choice, I was not saying they were correct in that assessment, it is like you said, what their leaders convince them to believe.