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Islam - message from God?
Jan 30th, 2009 at 12:59pm
 
This comes from a comment in another topic.

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When you replace morality and belief in God with the idea of "you're gonna be dust one day anyway", people have no qualms acting in this manner. Get set for more, because these kinds of despicable acts are just becoming more and more commonplace, as our society becomes more and more Godless.


(Well what do you expect from the totally brainwashed?)

There must be a lot of Godless Muslims in the world then.  Or is their God the God of "despicable acts"...  after all he rewards terrorists with virgins...  which is just another part of their sexual obsession.

Puhlease don't try to tell me this religion is inspired by God.  
God doesn't need to hide in dark places to pass on a message.  
Do they honestly think He would tempt man with sex?
Do they honestly not see the contradictions/convolutions/lies in their accepted dogma?

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Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 1:36pm
 

Nor does god demand you pray any number of times a day.
it would not make you any "better."

Nor would he demand you dominate the world.
Or have multiple wives AND sex slaves.



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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 4:08pm
 
I refer you to.....

"Are muslims God's people?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226445495/0#0


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 4:27pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 30th, 2009 at 1:36pm:
Nor does god demand you pray any number of times a day.
it would not make you any "better."

Nor would he demand you dominate the world.
Or have multiple wives AND sex slaves.


Actually the way muslims pray is damaging to their heads and is no wonder that they go wild and nutty after that.


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Reply #4 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 5:12am
 
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Nor does god demand you pray any number of times a day.
it would not make you any "better."

Nor would he demand you dominate the world.
Or have multiple wives AND sex slaves.


All in the Bible... even if you don't follow it, don't you at least believe God revealed and commanded it at some point?
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Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 10:16am
 
All in the bible eh?  That's why you changed religion?

OK how about some quotes then...  please don't quote the Jewish "Bilble" or the Old testament.  Just Christian teachings.
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Reply #6 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 12:38pm
 
Hi abu.

These are quotes I found .

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"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men.
I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.
Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.


matthew 6:5-8


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For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.


genesis 2:24

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But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband


1 corinthians 7:2

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Reply #7 - Feb 1st, 2009 at 7:52am
 
sprint,

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"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men.


This seems to speak about intention and 'showing off' in prayer. Islam likewise forbids showing off in prayer, and Muhammad (pbuh) described showing off in prayer as being a form of polytheism (as one expects to be rewarded by people instead of God, for that prayer).

I don't think it's got anything to do with ritual prayer, which both Muslims and Jews observe, undoubtedly because it's in their books to do so. The Bible also records Moses (pbuh) and other prophets, performing ablutions and praying in prostrations, as both Muslims and Jews still do today.

As for multiple wives, pretty much all of the prophets in the Bible had multiple wives, so it can't have been that hated by God. Surely he would've revealed a law preventing it, if it were that detestable. I can accept your reasoning that Christians don't practise it, fine, but you must know it is certainly not something immoral, or prophets, God's chosen messengers, wouldn't have been doing it for so long and so openly.

General Command:
Deuteronomy 21:15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, [both] the beloved and the hated; and [if] the firstborn son be hers that was hated:

Prophet Abraham (pbuh):
Genesis 16:3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

Genesis 25:1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.


Prophet Jacob (pbuh):
Jacob had 4 wives, Leah, Rachel, Bilhah and Zilpah. The first two are actually sisters. He earned them by working seven years for their father.

Prophet Moses (pbuh):
Moses had two wives, one was Zipporah, and the other was an unnamed Ethiopian woman.

Prophet David (pbuh):
2 Samuel 5:13 And David took [him] more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem, after he was come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to David.]

Prophet Solomon (pbuh):
1 Kings 11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

Rehoboam (son of Solomon):
2 Chronicles 11:21 And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.)

As for taking women as concubines or slaves during wars (as if Solomon's (pbuh) 300 above wasn't enough evidence):

General Command:
Numbers 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Also here's an interesting prophecy from the Bible:

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And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
Isaiah 4:1

It appears that in the end days, women will outnumber men quite a lot (Muhammad (pbuh) also predicted this) and so many women will ask to marry the same man, even relieving him of the duty of clothing and feeding them. Sounds like polygamy is definitely a part of things to come.
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Reply #8 - Feb 1st, 2009 at 8:16am
 
Christs teachings are in the NT Abu how many times do we have to tell you..?  Roll Eyes

people used to pray all the time for God to intervene in those days...  Christians have been told not to put the Lord thy God to the test.
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Reply #9 - Feb 1st, 2009 at 8:40am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 31st, 2009 at 12:38pm:
Hi abu.

These are quotes I found .

Quote:
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men.
I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.
Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.


matthew 6:5-8


Yeah, but Matthew was a bullshit artist. Made it up on the fly.
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