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Respect for islam - by law
Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:36pm
 
Pat Condell makes a succinct and frank asssessment

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKRF2uB8xU&feature=channel_page/

Shame on you, Netherlands, indeed.  A couple of quotable quotes:


"If I ever spoke about muslims the way their holy book speaks about me, I would be arrested for hate speech and probably end up in prison."

The man under 24 hour protection due to threats of muslim violence is now the criminal.

Whenever we hear human rights in connection with islam we are to be confronted with ugly opporttunism that spits in the face of genuine human rights and insults everyone's intelligence.

What kind of a justice system is it where the truth is inadmissible as evidence... Lewis Carroll could not have written it any better.

Nobody should be compelled to respect an ideology that doees not respect them. And islam respects nobody. It claims dominion. respect does not come into it. You submit, that's the deal.


people in power cannot admit to the  catasptrophic mistake of opening the floodgates to islam because that wouldd bee racist. Quite a predicament.

... creeping injustice -  or sharia - as we know it...

There are millions of people in the western wworld who are sick of islam. they are sick of hearing aboiut it and they are sick of making allowances for it that are not deserved. And they feel enough is enough and their voices will be heard.


You can't change people's hearts by force. We are not going to respect islam until islam starts to respect us. But if that ever happened, it wouldn't be islam any more. And that, in a nutshell, is the problem.i
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Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 4:03am
 
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"If I ever spoke about muslims the way their holy book speaks about me, I would be arrested for hate speech and probably end up in prison."


Same would go for the Jews and their holy books, but I don't see you nor your Dutch buddy worrying whatsoever about that. this quite clearly indicates you couldn't care less about what the holy books say, you only care about who's holy book it is. If it's the people you dislike, then you'll scream and shout and carry on about it, if it's your mates the Jews, no problem... do as you like.

You're a bigot, plain and simple. Your views simply don't belong in my country, and you should go back to whence you came soren!
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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 8:05am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30th, 2009 at 4:03am:
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"If I ever spoke about muslims the way their holy book speaks about me, I would be arrested for hate speech and probably end up in prison."


Same would go for the Jews and their holy books, but I don't see you nor your Dutch buddy worrying whatsoever about that. this quite clearly indicates you couldn't care less about what the holy books say, you only care about who's holy book it is. If it's the people you dislike, then you'll scream and shout and carry on about it, if it's your mates the Jews, no problem... do as you like.

You're a bigot, plain and simple. Your views simply don't belong in my country, and you should go back to whence you came soren!



Touched a couple of raw nerves, obvioussly.

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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 8:14am
 
So can you explain why it is you have so much contempt for Islam, and display none for Judaism whatsoever, when quite clearly most Jewish teachings on these issues are similar to what you identify in Islam as detestable.

For instance, according to Jewish law, if a goy is employed by a Jew, the Jew is permitted to withhold his wage... You got no problem with that? Likewise if a Jew steals from a goy, he's under no obligation to return the property.. no problem with that either? goyim are considered so unclean and disgusting, that if you touch their wine, then you defile it, and it must be thrown out... There's in fact entire sections of the Talmud that deal purely with scenarios in which you'd have to throw out your wine. Like if a goy is left alone in a room with wine, and no Jew is present (to supervise whether he touches the wine), then the wine is automatically considered defiled and must be thrown out..

Where is your contempt and your opposition?? It doesn't exist, as it's not genuine, it's purely bigoted islamophobia, that's thinly veiled as an "intellectual opposition to a dangerous ideology". What a load of crap.
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Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 8:19am
 
You know Abu - a Jewish thread really needs to be started - although the Halakhic Law one might be a good one to add to.  Is Halakhic Law similar to the Muslims Sharia Law?

Perhaps comparisons can be made to clarify that both religions are quite similar.
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Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 8:32am
 

Yes Halahkic law is the divine law of Judaism as Shari'ah is the divine law of Muslims.

I promised some time ago to make a thread highlighting the similarities, but never gotten around to it. However, I'd contend that Islam is not as severe and exclusionist as Judaism. For instance, a "goy" is any non-Jew (ethnically), this is a racially based definition. In Islam, a kafir is merely someone who doesn't hold the same belief. Race is not an issue whatsoever. In Islam, withholding the wage from a worker is one of the greatest crimes, and one of the first for which people will be brought to account on the day of judgement. Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Give the worker his wage before his sweat dries", to augment how crucial it is to pay a worker his wages.

I did however do a few comparisons in a thread in the spirituality forum, perhaps I'll repost it here.
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Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 6:50pm
 
More diversion from Abu, Judaism is not a threat to the way of life, or attack on freedom, of any western country, hence it is not a hot topic.

If we are speaking about dumb beliefs, then sure, I will agree that heaps of what they believe, is just as ridiculous as what you believe, happy?

Get Islam to the point that judaism has got to, then start asking for the same treatment, is that fair?
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Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 7:07pm
 
I always find it slightly comical that Abu shows an implicit understanding of how barbaric these laws are when comparing Islam to other religions, but then appears incapable of comprehending the issue when it comes to comparing Islam with Australian values.

"Ooh look this religion is even more barbaric than Islam"

"Stoning women to death is God's will. It is right because Muhammed said it is"
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Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 7:47pm
 
mozzaok,

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More diversion from Abu, Judaism is not a threat to the way of life, or attack on freedom, of any western country, hence it is not a hot topic.


Let us assume your point is correct, and Judaism is not a threat to the way of life of the West (which many think it is anyway), and therefore it's only the "dumb beliefs" that I've mentioned, likewise all soren has mentioned are so called "dumb beliefs", he didn't mention anything that "threatens the way of life, or attack on freedom", therefore my counter argument to him about Judaism was as irrelevant, as his initial attack on Islam.

If you believe Islam is a threat to your way of life and an attack on freedom, then address it on those terms, not in terms you just consider to be "dumb beliefs".

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I always find it slightly comical that Abu shows an implicit understanding of how barbaric these laws


Notice that I use terminology like: "what you identify in Islam as detestable"

I have an understanding that you find them barbaric.
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Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 7:59pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30th, 2009 at 8:14am:
.....For instance, according to Jewish law, .........There's in fact entire sections of the Talmud......What a load of crap.




abu,

.....the Talmud, the Talmud, the Talmud.

What is this obsession you have with the Talmud?

Are you as a muslim jealous of Jews, because Jewish rabbis wrote something comparable to the Koran, and Hadith?



abu,

The Talmud were the determinations about Jewish law devised by Jewish men.

The Talmud?







Whereas the Torah are the laws revealed by God, and carried forward, by the Jewish ppl.


Torah = = (in Judaism) the law of God as revealed to Moses and recorded in the Pentateuch.


Do the Jewish ppl read God's law [Torah], or do they follow the determinations men [Talmud]?

If i were a devout Jew, i know which one i would give weight to!




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #10 - Jan 30th, 2009 at 10:08pm
 
I caught a cab this evening. The driver was a Lebanese, a maronite Christian. We were talking about muslims. And I said to him, that most people do not understand that Islam will try to take over this country. And he said to me, something that stopped me in my tracks. He said:

"No my friend. Islam WILL take over this country."

I said "No it wont. What do you mean?'

"No, we deal with the truth my friend, not fantasy. Nobody in this country has the balls to stop Islam, they are walking all over you and rubbing your head in s**** every day and you ask for more. You say "Please feed me some more s**** I like it so much!'. Look, they rape your women, they commit crimes, they take over Lakemba, deal drugs in the nightclubs, all the police do is arrest the muslims out in Lakema. What do you Aussies do. Nothing my friend, nothing..you are lost, sorry my friend but it is true. You dont care enough about your country to stop them."

I said 'I care enough about my country to stop them.'

"Do you? I dont believe it. If you have the balls do something. Otherwise friend, they have already won. I think they have won. I saw what happened in Lebanon. Same thing. It will happen here.'

Something to think about.

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Reply #11 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 2:41am
 
Yadda,

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The Talmud were the determinations about Jewish law devised by Jewish men.


The Tamud is considered to be the "Oral Torah", it is considered to have been revealed to Moses (pbuh) on Mt Sinai, when the written Torah was revealed, and has been handed down by the sages through the generations. It also contains some commentary by the greatest Jewish scholars.

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The significance and unique quality of the Oral Law is that Rabbinic Judaism felt its oral interpretations were the result of a long tradition and therefore binding. To the Rabbis in late antiquity, the Oral Law is as authoritative (or nearly so) as the written law itself...

The term Halakha LeMoshe MiSinai, literally "Law [given] to Moses from Sinai", is used in classical Rabbinical literature to refer to oral law regarded as having been of direct Divine origin
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Do the Jewish ppl read God's law [Torah], or do they follow the determinations men [Talmud]?
If i were a devout Jew, i know which one i would give weight to!


Both, as they are both seen as Torah, one written and the other oral.

Even if you admit they only believe in the laws of the Tanakh, there's some pretty horrible stuff in there, like selling daughters off as slaves and slaughtering women, children and old people, and the raped being required to marry her rapist, and her father is paid 50 shekels... Shall we just go with that then? If judged by the Tanakh alone, then that'd certainly be enough.
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Reply #12 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 3:18am
 
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I caught a cab this evening. The driver was a Lebanese, a maronite Christian...


Here we go another little anecdotal evidence for why we must all fight Islam and expel it from our shores.

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Look, they rape your women, they commit crimes, they take over Lakemba, deal drugs in the nightclubs, all the police do is arrest the muslims out in Lakema.


This is quite rich coming from a Maronite Christian, especially seeing that Billy Bayeh, one of the biggest underworld figures in Sydney's history, was a Lebanese Maronite Christian, or how about Michael Kanaan? Not to mention the fact that there's also quite a lot of 'Christian' Middle-East crime gangs. Why aren't they associated with Christianity and blamed on Christianity??

There's no doubting there's some criminals of Muslim background, as there are plenty of Christian background (although this is NEVER made an issue). However, the constant attempts to associate their criminality with their religion is just ridiculous. All good practising Muslims want them behind bars (or in fact more severe punishment), just as good Christians do. Islam demands much harsher punishments for what they do, and practising Muslims often go on outreach missions to try and bring these people to their senses, and leave their unIslamic lifestyles behind.

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I saw what happened in Lebanon. Same thing. It will happen here.'


What happened in Lebanon exactly?
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Reply #13 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 8:09am
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 30th, 2009 at 10:08pm:
I said 'I care enough about my country to stop them.'



bwahaha.who you? Your a coward, you've already admitted as much.

You won't even meet me to tell me to my face what you think of muslims. Your to scared to even talk to one muslim, and you think we are going to believe that you are going to 'stop us'.

lol....yeah right. Your nothing but a keyboard hero, really tough hiding behind your compute, but then turns to butter in the real world.

If Australia is relying on people like you to stop us...then geez, we've won already.

Cheesy:D:D
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Reply #14 - Jan 31st, 2009 at 8:46am
 
Lestat wrote on Jan 31st, 2009 at 8:09am:
[quote author=Calanen link=1233236170/0#10 date=1233317307]
I said 'I care enough about my country to stop them.'



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bwahaha.who you? Your a coward, you've already admitted as much.


Yes gumby, the assessment of my courage by a random internet Religion of Peacer - cuts *so* deep that I in fact might be manipulated into letting you know my real name, and identity so you can get fellow Religion of Peacers to have some fatwa against me...

On second thought, no, I'm a bit smarter than that. Sorry.

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You won't even meet me to tell me to my face what you think of muslims. Your to scared to even talk to one muslim, and you think we are going to believe that you are going to 'stop us'.


Two things. 1) I don't care enough to have a punch up with some random dude at the bicycle sheds. 2) I am not really interested in having more crazy people in my life. My job gives me more than my fill.

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lol....yeah right. Your nothing but a keyboard hero, really tough hiding behind your compute, but then turns to butter in the real world.


More attempts at manipulation, but, I'm not biting so save it.

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If Australia is relying on people like you to stop us...then geez, we've won already.


Perhaps. Time will tell, won't it?

One of the reasons why people started to support the American Revolution instead of King George was because of the good writers that were part of the American Revolution team.  And as an ROPer yourself, you know all about propaganda. That's what I'm good at, information, writing. If I needed to pick up a rifle, I would. But at this stage, I'm not prepared to divulge my real identity or have a punch up with you somewhere. You seem like an angry nutjob.

So sorry if I wont meet you for a little tea party with your doll collection, but my calendar's full.

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