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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: Australia Day Disgrace Reply #90 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:20am Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:14am: How do you know they are not? It's quite simple, their action does not mean they AREN'T proud to be Australian. I don't KNOW exactly what they felt or thought was their motivation. But I am left doubting their ability to know what pride and being Australian means.
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Reply #91 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:28am

locutius wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:20am:

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:14am:

How do you know they are not?

It's quite simple, their action does not mean they AREN'T proud to be Australian.

I don't KNOW exactly what they felt or thought was their motivation. But I am left doubting their ability to know what pride and being Australian means.

And suspecting that they equate their behaviour to being Australian... That on Australia Day if they're wearing the flag, pisssed as a fart and abusing a minority, somehow they'll be forgiven or cheered.

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Swathe Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 79	Re: Australia Day Disgrace Reply #92 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:29am Their pride could certainly be misguided and I do doubt their ability to display it in an appropriate matter but I would still prefer this over left wing students burning our flag.
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Reply #93 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:31am

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:29am:

Their pride could certainly be misguided and I do doubt their ability to display it in an appropriate matter but I would still prefer this over left wing students burning our flag.

What if its done in a controlled environment so no one ends up getting burnt? Or his jaw broken for doing it?

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Australia Day Disgrace Reply #94 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:33am Love your sig... " The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weak, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel." Mugabe says TRUE.
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Reply #95 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:36am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:31am:

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:29am:

Their pride could certainly be misguided and I do doubt their ability to display it in an appropriate matter but I would still prefer this over left wing students burning our flag.

What if its done in a controlled environment so no one ends up getting burnt? Or his jaw broken for doing it?

Traitorous action does not deserve protection.

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Reply #96 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:41am

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:36am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:31am:

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:29am:

Their pride could certainly be misguided and I do doubt their ability to display it in an appropriate matter but I would still prefer this over left wing students burning our flag.

What if its done in a controlled environment so no one ends up getting burnt? Or his jaw broken for doing it?

Traitorous action does not deserve protection.

What have they done that is traitorous? How have they committed treason? They've burnt cloth not betrayed the state.

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Swathe Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 79	Re: Australia Day Disgrace Reply #97 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:49am Burning the flag of your own country should be considered a traitorous act. If citizens of other countries who live here burn our flag, they should be removed as they obviously do not like it here. Imagine the uproar if I went around burning their flags. Of course, it's only white people who racially discriminate
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Reply #98 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:52am

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:49am:

Burning the flag of your own country should be considered a traitorous act. If citizens of other countries who live here burn our flag, they should be removed as they obviously do not like it here.

Imagine the uproar if I went around burning their flags. Of course, it's only white people who racially discriminate Roll Eyes

How about criticising the government or speaking badly of the monarch?

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Reply #99 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:58am

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:49am:

Burning the flag of your own country should be considered a traitorous act. If citizens of other countries who live here burn our flag, they should be removed as they obviously do not like it here.

You see, that's the reasoning behind the great metaphor of wearing the flag as a Batman cape... An infantile display of perceived superhuman status which the wearer believes gives him carte blanche to do anything and get away with it.

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Reply #100 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:12am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:58am:

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:49am:

Burning the flag of your own country should be considered a traitorous act. If citizens of other countries who live here burn our flag, they should be removed as they obviously do not like it here.

You see, that's the reasoning behind the great metaphor of wearing the flag as a Batman cape... An infantile display of perceived superhuman status which the wearer believes gives him carte blanche to do anything and get away with it.

Pride in your country is meant to give you a feeling of empowerment, or it's not true pride. Nobody thinks they can do what they want because they are wearing their flag, nor did I say anything of the sort.

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Reply #101 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:25am

Pride in my country gives me satisfaction not power.

Also not everything my country does is deserving of pride either.

Nor do I feel pride because we won the cricket or rugby. If I follow a particular sport I might be happy but not proud. If I don't follow that sport I couldn't care less.

Burning the flag is not traitorous IMHO, stupid yes, disrespectful yes. But it is not some sacred chalice. It's divine right wing status is just as stupid as left wing burning.

Helian, nice call on the capped crusader symbolism. Very funny and astute.

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Reply #102 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:30am

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:49am:

Burning the flag of your own country should be considered a traitorous act. If citizens of other countries who live here burn our flag, they should be removed as they obviously do not like it here.

Imagine the uproar if I went around burning their flags. Of course, it's only white people who racially discriminate Roll Eyes

A flag is a peice of cloth, no more, no less. If you feel so much offence and uproar over the burning of a cloth, then I suggest that perhaps you suffer from some low self esteem issues, or maybe even a lack of identity.

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Reply #103 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:42am

That piece of cloth is a symbol of our nation. I know people who have fought for our country under the flag and all it represents.

How does me not agreeing with the burning of our flag equate to not having any identity or self esteem issues? Not agreeing with an action does not reflect on the person in disagreement. That is like me saying people who accept unrestricted immigration are cowards because they are too scared to say no.

At least it took a few days for the personal insults to start coming, I am rather surprised.

Note that insulting me in an attempt to invalidate my opinion has no effect on me. I don't succumb to ham handed mind games.

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Reply #104 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 12:06pm

Lestat wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:30am:

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:49am:

Burning the flag of your own country should be considered a traitorous act. If citizens of other countries who live here burn our flag, they should be removed as they obviously do not like it here.

Imagine the uproar if I went around burning their flags. Of course, it's only white people who racially discriminate Roll Eyes

A flag is a peice of cloth, no more, no less. If you feel so much offence and uproar over the burning of a cloth, then I suggest that perhaps you suffer from some low self esteem issues, or maybe even a lack of identity.

You need to be shot for treason Lestat.

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