abu_rashid wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 10:45am:




Give me a break, Abu.

That's the biggest lie (Or showing of ignorance/stupidity) I've ever seen you come up with (Apart from the History of Science: Setting the record straight thread, which is always good for a laugh) on these boards. Even the most ideological anti-racist agrees that primary school teachers, high school teachers, University lecturers and tutors are indoctrinated anti-racists. Even if these teachers are not anti-racist they're forced to teach anti-racist and multicultural material by higher powers.

I recall one time in high school when my teacher gave the class a half an hour lecture on how Australians 'have no right' to protest about the Tampa crisis, as 'we are all immigrants ourselves.' She told students point-blank who disagreed that 'they were wrong' and 'how dare they display such 'racism' in her class.'  

Australian teachers in all educational institutions shove anti-racist garbage down people's throats. Not necessarily based on 'fact' but rather on their 'ideological' beliefs.

Luckily, once the smarter/stronger minded students come out of high school/university and enter the real world, they use their own eyes to decide whether the ideological nature of their teachers are correct. Unfortunately, the more gullible students carry on the legacy of their teachers and accept it as fact and never even question it.

I'm pretty sure you're very happy with what I've just said, Abu. That most educational institutions are rife with anti-racist and multiculturalism bigotry. It's like a dream come true for people like you, isn't it?

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 5:28pm:


They are 'supposed' to play the devils advocate and discussion on most things Gaybriel, unfortunately when it comes to topics like multiculturalism and immigration, they don't. At least not in my experience, anyway. They unashamedly take sides on issues such as this.

is it really neccessary for you to be so insulting?

as to what you believe about my background- no I didn't go to tafe, politics was actually actively avoided at my school- I cannot remember when it would have been discussed and if it was I was particularly disinterested- I was probably more interested in reading, painting and learning history, yes I did an arts degree at uni but only became involved in politics in the latter part of my uni life, before then I just went with the flow- which in my house is voting liberal and loving John Howard.

Now I respect my parents political inclinations before anyone labels my views as some sort of rebellion, and I think that they have some valid points, in fact I think there are some very valuable aspects to the liberal party and their policies- but I don't subscribe to any political party.

some things I agree with liberals, some labor, some greens, some democrats- and for all of them I have quite a few things I dislike quite intensely

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 5:45pm:


whilst I think it's wrong for teachers to shut down student discussions by saying "that's wrong, this is right" for several reasons- I can see why they would encourage ideas and policies with regards to tolerance, acceptance etc- in an environment where they're constantly trying to counteract bullying and the cruelty of children.

they would be trying not to foster an atmosphere which could be seen to encourage picking on someone or discriminating against them because of their race, creed, gender

children generally speaking do not have the maturity or intellectual capacity to separate general grievances from particular people. which is why you can conceivably see a student seeing something about asian crime on the news and then going and starting trouble with the asian kid in his class the next day- or have something happen to his family by a partic ethnic group and the same behaviour. it's human and understandable and it reveals the inability of children to properly focus their anger and feelings of injustice etc where they properly belong.

so if a teacher discourages attitudes that could be seen to introduce disharmony or single out a particular group of people- this is actually a good thing in terms of helping kids to have a more harmonious schooling environment.

however that doesn't mean that I think that teachers should not allow children to express their views - I think if kids are told just to shut up and get yelled at because what they say is 'unacceptable' then theyre going to get more pissed off and have even more feelings of injustice brewing. kids need to be able to discuss what they think and feel, even if the teacher doesn't agree

Wasn't being insulting...  I'm a lefty myself...  what's your problem gaybriel?

Oh and I actually didn't say you went to TAFE...  I was referring to the indoctrination.

It's the truth...  seen it so many times it is not funny.

I don't think anyone is saying their behaviour is good.

But as has been noted...  it is a growing concern.

Some have even pointed out why this might be so.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 9:09pm:


Well, Donald, they embarrass me because they are drunk, young buggerwits who know nothing about the big wide world in which we/they live.

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Would you have said it was Aussie pride if it had been a group of Australian aborigines/Lebanese/Muslims/Africans covered in Australian war paint, dead drunk and creating this fear and destruction?  Real Australians don't condone this behaviour regardless of the colour of the mob.